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Hello

We're in a situation exactly like the one described here: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-milton-country-park-cambridge/

£100 PCN at Milton for 30 min overstay (impossible to pay for overstay on exit). As in the above thread, this was a lease car so not registered keeper (we were notified first by lease company and just today received the PCN in the post).

I attach photos of the front and back of the PCN.

I'd be really grateful to know if advice to us would be the same as the advice to the poster above.

Thanks very much in advance for any help.

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Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Did you receive any other documents with the PCN?

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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No, only the single page letter above

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Whilst you are not the Keeper, as the Hirer, the exact same principles apply as in the other case. Any appeals must come ONLY from the Hirer and you only reference the Notice to Hirer (NtH) rather than the Notice to Keeper (NtK).

Only you know the identity of the driver and, as the Hirer, you are under no legal obligation to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

You have added advantage that the vehicle is Hired/leased. ParkingEye have failed to comply with all the requirements of PoFA paragraph 14 which means that the Hirer cannot be liable. Also, because the location is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA, the same condition applies... no Hirer liability.

All you need to do is follow the exact same steps as in the other thread.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2025, 07:50:12 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Thank you very much. I've just seen that the poster in the other thread has posted Parking Eye's response, so I might wait to see what people advise about that response.

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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The self-styled Parking Charge Notice is incoherent nonsense.

Pl don't dignify it with a status it does not deserve.

Facts:
The whatever-it-is was posted on Monday 12th May (the 'issue' date is a Saturday) and therefore deemed served Wed. 14th.

The 'Date of event' was 31 March.

Elapsed period: 46 days.

It was served on the addressee because they had been 'identified(by who we don't know)/identified themselves as the driver.'

A Notice to Driver may only be served on the vehicle before it leaves the site.

The ANPR shot shows the vehicle leaving the site.

So, it's not a Notice to Driver.

A Notice to Keeper must be served no later than 14 days after the 'event'.

So, it's not a Notice to Keeper either.

It doesn't carry the wording required by para. 14 Schedule 4 neither does it refer to Hirer, whether preceded by the words 'Notice to' or not.

It wasn't accompanied by the documents mandated under para. 14.

So, it's not a Notice to Hirer.

So, it's a goodness knows what?

The only thing which fits the bill is that the creditor is claiming that the addressee is the driver and in these cases there is no prescribed form of notice, it could be written on the side of a cow (although the postage would be high) and contain whatever words they wanted.

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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That sounds reassuring, thank you very much!

On the other thread (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/pcn-milton-country-park-cambridge) it looks like Parking Eye are rejecting the response:

"Please note, it is Parkingeye’s position that this charge was issued following a contractual breach of the terms and conditions in operation onsite, and that we had reasonable cause to request the Registered Keeper’s details from the DVLA. Please note that our lawful bases for processing data are Performance of a Contract and Legitimate Interests. Parkingeye do not rely on Consent as a legal basis for processing data when issuing and pursuing the payment of outstanding Parking Charges. We are registered with the ICO to collect and process data for the purpose of car park management, which includes dealing with appeals and any subsequent recovery action required.
 
We therefore wish to confirm that we have rejected your request that we remove data from our system and cease processing in this instance at this stage, and can confirm that your appeal has now been passed back to our dedicated Appeals Team for further consideration.
 
Please note you have the right to make a complaint to the ICO in respect of this response, should you wish to do so. You may also seek a judicial remedy.
 
For further information about your rights as a data subject, plus information about the categories of data we process, data transfers, the legal basis for our processing, and the purposes of processing, please visit: https://www.parkingeye.co.uk/privacy-policy/"

They're also rejecting the appeal and referring the poster to POPLA.

Sorry to duplicate things but these cases are nearly identical, hence reposting. Does this response change people's view of this PCN?

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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I refer you to this response in the other thread:

So, you have 33 days from the appeal rejection date to submit your POPLA appeal. Have a search of other POPLA appeals on here and see what you can come up with, based on the information you have been told about in this and the other thread. Don't send anything before you post it here so that we can advise on anything you should add or remove or edit.

Remember, the first thing the assessor will want to determine is whether you, the Keeper can be liable as the drivers identity has not been provided. As this location is covered by byelaws, PoFA does not apply.

If the POPLA assessor cannot determine the drivers identity and PoFA does not apply to land that is covered by statutory byelaws, that should end the matter as far as POPLA is concerned. However, you can throw in the kitchen sink is as a backup, just in case the assessor on the day is one of those doltish types we often see.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Thank you very much May I just check that this as an initial response to Parking Eye:

"Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the keeper of the vehicle under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("the Act").

There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so.

For the avoidance of doubt, even if you had attempted to rely on Schedule 4 of the Act, you would have failed to establish liability, as the location in question—Milton Country Park—is subject to statutory control by byelaws. As such, the land is not “relevant land” within the meaning of the Act, and the provisions of Schedule 4 do not apply.

I am therefore unable to assist you further with this matter, and I look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you choose to decline this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours faithfully,
[Your Name]"

From the other thread is appropriate in my case? And/or ought I to include anything in addition from the points H C Andersen makes above?

Thanks again for your help, much appreciated!

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Just send the initial appeal as you have been advised. There is no point in overthinking this.

ParkingEye will reject the appeal and issue a POPLA code where you can follow the process as advised on the other thread.

ParkingEye not relying on PoFA to hold theKeeper liable. Even if they were, which they aren't, they could not hold the Keeper liable. The driver has not been identified. End of!

The fact that the vehicle is leased/hired snd that they did not issue a PoFA compliant NtH is another factor but it really isn't worth adding that at this stage. As long as the driver remains unidentified, there is nowhere for this to go.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Thank you very much for all the advice. I will respond to them with the message, and then probably need to ask for more advice when it escalates to POPLA. Really appreciate the help on this forum!

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Hello

We have now received a reply from Parking Eye. Here it is:

Dear Sir / Madam,
Thank you for your correspondence in relation to the Parking Charge incurred on 31 March 2025 at 16:23, at Milton Country Park, Milton car park.
We are writing to advise you that your recent appeal has been referred for further information.
You have stated that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the date and time of the breach of the terms and conditions of the car park, but you have not indicated who was.
You have already been notified that under section 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge in full. As we do not know the driver’s name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the full name and the current postal address of the driver.
You are warned that if, after 29 days from the Date of Issue, the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you, the registered keeper. This warning is given to you under paragraph 9(2)(f) of schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and is subject to our complying with the applicable conditions under schedule 4 of that Act.
Please note, if you have made or wish to make an appeal on behalf of the driver, and you do not provide the full name and current postal address of the driver, Parkingeye will be obliged to deal with the representations made in your name.
Parkingeye have placed this charge on hold for 28 days to enable you to provide the evidence requested. If this information is not provided within 28 days, the appeal may well be rejected and a POPLA code provided.
Alternatively, payment can be made by telephoning our offices on 0330 555 4444 or by visiting www.parkingeye.co.uk or by posting a cheque or postal order to ParkingEye Ltd, PO Box 117, Blyth, NE24 9EJ.
Yours faithfully, Parkingeye Team

This is in response to the message I sent them, which you can see in the post above.

It's slightly different to their response to the poster in the other comparable thread, so just wanted to check what the right response should be. Also, I will double check V5C but I don't think I'm the registered keeper (which I'm referred to as in this note) because the car is a lease.

Many thanks in advance for your help.

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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I'd respond with the following:

Quote
Dear ParkingEye,

Re: Parking Charge Notice 288486/335086
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]
Date of Event: 31 March 2025

I write in response to your latest letter, which is both inaccurate and legally incoherent.

You now cite Paragraphs 9(2)(b) and 9(2)(f) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, which apply solely to Notices to Keeper, not Notices to Hirer. This basic error alone would be embarrassing enough, were it not compounded by your persistent failure to grasp that:

• You did not invoke Schedule 4 in your NtH;
• You did not include copies of the documents required under Paragraph 13(2), such as the hire agreement and statement of liability;
• And most importantly, the site in question — Milton Country Park — is subject to statutory byelaws and is not relevant land as defined under Schedule 4. Therefore, PoFA does not apply at all.

To recap: you have issued a legally defective notice, made a baseless threat of keeper/hirer liability, misquoted legislation, and are now doubling down on your mistake with a recycled, irrelevant template letter that demonstrates either ignorance of the law or wilful misrepresentation.

You now have two options:

1. Cancel this charge immediately, recognising that pursuing it any further is futile; or
2. Issue a POPLA code, where I will refer the assessor to your PoFA failings and the statutory control status of the land, and you can enjoy wasting the POPLA fee.

I refer you, in spirit and with appropriate legal sarcasm, to the response given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971). Should you fail to cancel or issue a code, this matter will be escalated to the DVLA, the ICO, and the BPA with a formal complaint regarding misuse of data and breach of the KADOE contract.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
Hirer of the vehicle
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Thank you very much indeed! Hugely enjoyed looking up the reply given in Arkell v Pressdram :)

Re: Milton Country Park PCN
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Hello again. We've received the below from Parking Eye:

Dear,
 
Thank you for your correspondence received in relation to the above referenced Parking Charge. We have been passed this as we note you have raised a data query.
 
Please note, it is Parkingeye’s position that this charge was issued following a contractual breach of the terms and conditions in operation onsite, and that we had reasonable cause to request the Registered Keeper’s details from the DVLA. Please note that our lawful bases for processing data are Performance of a Contract and Legitimate Interests. Parkingeye do not rely on Consent as a legal basis for processing data when issuing and pursuing the payment of outstanding Parking Charges. We are registered with the ICO to collect and process data for the purpose of car park management, which includes dealing with appeals and any subsequent recovery action required.
 
For your clarity, Parkingeye were provided with the details of the hirer on the date of the parking event by the Registered Keeper of the vehicle.
 
We can confirm that your appeal has now been passed back to our dedicated Appeals Team for further consideration.
 
Please note that the UK General Data Protection Regulation provides the following further rights:

•             The right to request from Parkingeye rectification or erasure of your personal data;

•             The right to request from Parkingeye restriction of processing of your personal data;

•             The right to object to the processing of your personal data.

Please note that some of these rights are not absolute and will only apply in certain circumstances. We will review each request we receive in respect of these rights. We do not have to agree with a request but if we refuse, we will still contact the data subject within one month to explain why. You also have the right to lodge a complaint with the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO). For further information, please refer to the ICO website, www.ico.org.uk. You may also seek a judicial remedy.

For further information about your rights as a data subject, plus information about the categories of data we process, data transfers, the legal basis for our processing, and the purposes of processing, please visit: https://www.parkingeye.co.uk/privacy-policy/

 
Yours sincerely,
 
Parkingeye Privacy Team


I assume there's nothing for us to do here as they say they'll pass it back to the appeals team, but just posting for info.

Thanks again all for help on this, I am so impressed that people give up their time to help tackle these bullies.