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shawki1974

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Dear All

Hope you are having a great day. This is my first ever post.

Got done by Cromwell which has a car park run by Gemini parking solutions.

There is a Eurocarparts near Barking. Went to return a part and stayed for exactly 3 minutes. Have a receipt from them

There was no PCN on the windscreen , but sent through the post below.

It referred to me with my Title and Last name and not my full name. So instead of my full name etc., it says << Title>> << Last name>>

Are they fishing for something.

Is there any way to fight this.

I could only read one timestamp on the image which is what is in the notice ( Says 11:21 ). But not on the one on the right as its too small + the grainy floor covers it up. There is nothing else such as Observation period etc.

Parking charge Link: https://imgur.com/6QwtOmL
Parking charge other page: https://imgur.com/CVM20EX

Location link : https://maps.app.goo.gl/8dg2XG1zNv45gNj77

My thanks in advance.

Kind regards
« Last Edit: March 18, 2025, 05:33:58 pm by shawki1974 »

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Re: Gemini Parking Near Barking : Failure to display a valid permit
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2025, 12:31:26 pm »
Please post the other pages of the notice .  It is addressed to the driver - does it mention keeper anywhere? You should edit your post to put the driver in the third person. Subject to seeing the rest of the notice they may well not have complied with POFA to transfer liability to keeper, so there is an easy response - but don't do anything yet.
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Re: Gemini Parking Near Barking : Failure to display a valid permit
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2025, 08:44:45 pm »
It is not a PoFA compliant Notice to Keeper.

Easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Gemini has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Gemini have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
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Re: Gemini Parking Near Barking : Failure to display a valid permit
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2025, 09:13:38 pm »
So the reply from Gemini has arrived.

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Re: Gemini Parking Near Barking : Failure to display a valid permit
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2025, 09:32:39 pm »
Expected.
They only want your money, and so agreeing to your appeal means no money, so was never going to happen.
You can appeal to IAS if you want, but some of us here consider this to be a waste of time and effort because they are so biased.
If you receive a formal Letter of Claim come back here for guidance, you’ll need to submit a defence to court but it’s no big deal and you will get help.

Apparently IAS agrees with 4% of appeals submitted to it. So rejects 96% of them. Unlikely if it were really independent. Then look up who runs it ……..

Just never identify the driver, which is what they have been fishing for from the start.
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Re: Gemini Parking Near Barking : Failure to display a valid permit
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2025, 12:02:21 pm »
For what it's worth, you can appeal to the IAS with the following, even if it's just to p!ss them off:

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IAS Appeal Submission – PCN 002835585
Operator: Gemini Parking Solutions
Date of Issue: 05/03/2025
Site: Cromwells – Barking

I am appealing as the registered keeper of the vehicle. This parking charge must be cancelled for the following reasons:

1. No Keeper Liability – Non-compliance with PoFA 2012

Gemini Parking Solutions has chosen to pursue the registered keeper without complying with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA). The Notice to Keeper issued in this case fails to meet any mandatory requirements under Paragraph 9 of the Act, including the absence of a specified period of parking, and fails to include the required statutory warning under Paragraph 9(2)(f). As such, the operator cannot rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable.

It is therefore irrelevant whether the driver was identified. In the absence of PoFA compliance, the keeper has no liability. The operator's rejection letter, stating they will pursue the keeper based on a so-called “reasonable assumption” that the keeper was the driver, is an unlawful overreach and a misrepresentation of legal position. This is precisely the sort of manipulative tactic that PoFA was designed to prevent.

2. Unreasonable Behaviour – Misleading Legal Assertions

The operator’s rejection relies on the deeply flawed and legally unsustainable notion that a keeper can be pursued “unless they name the driver”. This is not supported in law. In fact, the entire legislative framework of PoFA 2012 exists to provide a lawful alternative to requiring the keeper to name the driver, provided the operator complies with the statute—which Gemini have not.

It is disingenuous and misleading for the operator to present a presumption of liability as fact, particularly in circumstances where the statute expressly precludes it. The IAS should not reward operators for attempting to short-circuit the legal protections afforded to registered keepers.

A Note on This Tribunal’s Credibility

While I submit this appeal, I wish to place on record that I have no confidence whatsoever that the IAS will provide a fair or independent assessment of the matter. The fact that the assessor remains anonymous and unaccountable raises obvious questions about transparency and impartiality. One must reasonably ask why, if the IAS has confidence in its integrity, it refuses to disclose even the basic legal qualifications of the person purporting to judge matters of statutory compliance and contract law.

It is rather telling that such fundamental details are withheld. I suspect the truth may be that the assessor lacks the legal training to properly interpret or apply the law—particularly where PoFA is concerned—and that decisions are too often little more than rubber stamps for IPC parking operators who fund this so called “independent” scheme.

Nevertheless, should the assessor wish to prove me wrong, I openly invite them to identify themselves and set out their legal qualifications in the determination. I am not holding my breath.

Conclusion

This parking charge must be cancelled. Gemini Parking Solutions has failed to establish keeper liability under PoFA and has relied instead on an unlawful presumption that has no basis in law. Anything less than cancellation would reinforce concerns that this tribunal is not independent and operates to protect the interests of its paying members rather than to uphold the law.

I await your determination—preferably one that includes a name, and some indication that the person writing it has even a passing familiarity with PoFA.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]

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