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Driver1010

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2024, 01:50:16 pm »
Update:

I’ve spoken to the landowners and they’ve agreed to raise a complaint with Euro Parking Services.

They say they have had calls/complaints everyday from people!

However, the lady on the phone seemed to think there isn’t much she can do.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2024, 02:06:52 pm »
Well, that is Plan A. However, a telephone conversation is not worth the paper it is written on.

Whoever you spoke to, whether they are sure or not that they can get the PPC to cancel the PCN, will depend on who contracted the PPC in the first place. If it was the gym, then it may be worth getting something in writing from them about they getting the PCN cancelled.

The easiest fob off is you being told that there is nothing they can do and to contact the PPC. At this point, it is often worth reminding the company with a question about who is the organ grinder and who is the monkey in their contractual relationship with the PPC.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2024, 02:27:43 pm »
Whoever you spoke to, whether they are sure or not that they can get the PPC to cancel the PCN, will depend on who contracted the PPC in the first place. If it was the gym, then it may be worth getting something in writing from them about they getting the PCN cancelled.
If I were a betting man, my money would be on the busineess (Jardines) having contracted them, as a result of their staff struggling to park due to gym customers parking in their staff/customer bays. Worth the OP figuring out whether or not this is the case, though.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2024, 06:17:54 pm »
This is precisely the case.

It has nothing to do with JD Gym and all to do with the business (Jardines) who owns the land.

I have no business with Jardines and only with the gym, which is next to Jardines.

I made it clear to the person on the phone to Jardines and sent an email to the person I spoke to directly who asked for the appeal rejection letter and said that she will make a complaint. I directed her to links online that state that landowners have the ability to cancel PCNs to which she replied “I am not sure”.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2024, 06:26:59 pm »
Which doesn't really answer..

To continue DWMB2's line...


I go to my gym 5 mornings a week and usually park in an area right next to my gym.

Why not outside the gym, after all GSV suggests it provides parking sufficient for early-morning numbers of users? Why 'an area right next to' on land which, whatever its history, is clearly not the gym's land? Why be, at least, a trespasser? If it's as straightforward as you did it knowingly because the gym spaces didn't afford you the opportunity to carry out XYZ manoeuvre when exiting and therefore you shaved N minutes off the time it took you to ****, then pl say so. 

We're not talking about a one-off issue, your parking habits have persisted for some time. I'd find it useful to understand the context.

And to return to the glaring issue I raised earlier, how could you park, exit car, go to gym, complete a session, recover, return to car and leave within 18 minutes as shown in the PCN you posted?

This point has not been examined in the context of your account, but IMO it should because it challenges your account or the accuracy of their recording system. And what time gaps are revealed in the other PCNs?

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2024, 06:31:56 pm »
Perhaps a needed note: the company in which the driver allegedly incorrectly parked there, does not open until 9am meaning that the numberplate is unable to be registered at the kiosk.

The driver arrives around 6:10am and leaves around 8am each day.
I am responsible for the accuracy of the information I post, not your ability to comprehend it.
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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2024, 06:51:42 pm »
The car park gets absolutetly jam-packed in the morning. The only other spaces are on the other side of the building which is shared by yet another gym. You would think that in the mornings there is an abundance of space, but there is not.

Could I drive all the way around and find a space further a way, perhaps. I will not neglect that aspect. However, naturally I chose to park where I have been parking for literal years.

To me, the sign was unclear especially during dark mornings. Sometimes it was even dark when I still left around 8am.

That is the point - it is not clear that it is not the gym's land. The lady on the phone today when I called Jardines remarked how bollards (which are never erected) had been installed and numbers in the spaces, but how was I now supposed to know that means the area is now cordened off? The fact that there are people complaining to Jardines daily makes it clear that there is a clear error on the part of EPS. I saw people parking there today!

As mentioned in other comments, the time gap seems to be around 10-14 minutes in terms of picture taken. To me, it reads as if perhaps they give an 'allowance' of some sort. The contravention time stamp is marked as the latter time. I, of course, stay at the gym longer than this.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2024, 06:55:20 pm »
To further clarify, when I say the buildings are 'next' to each other, I mean the orginal building (as seen on GSV) has been divided and now the right of the building is now Jardines. There is no physical space between the two buildings. The original space has merely been divided by an internal wall.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #38 on: March 19, 2024, 08:56:41 am »
But what is the relevance of the timestamps? Regardless, the driver was in that space. The letter does state 'entry and exit times' but there is no footage of my car leaving the spot at any point.

There evidence clearly is flawed, but does that actually help the driver?

I do not have all the time stamps to hand currently, but they are all between the times of 6:10am to 6:30am. One, I recall, registers the number plate at 6:18 and the second picture is at 6:32am. This is the longest time gap I have seen in the PCNs received thus far.

I have taken a picture of the sign put up by the gym recently as what I can only assume is in response to the influx of parking tickets.

The driver parks in the red - as they have been doing for years. Sometimes, in the purple which do have a 'JD' sign on the bottom but are not marked in green on this sign, pointing to inconsistencies.

Another gym car park is the bit in blue.
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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #39 on: March 19, 2024, 09:04:23 am »
Also, I did not know it was not gym land otherwise I would not have parked there - especially not 5 days a week.  The entrance of Jardines was around the corner and not even directly in front of where I park. The signage is small.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #40 on: March 19, 2024, 10:37:57 am »
OP, you have not responded to my earlier point about the fact that there is an entrance sign that you pass that alerts the driver to the fact that there are parking restrictions.

According to GSV, that sign has been in place for several years.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #41 on: March 19, 2024, 12:21:57 pm »
How did you get to that location as you have to pass a no entry sign unless you enter the car park the normal way and drive around the building, in which case you probably passed this sign (unless it is no longer there):



Not that the no entry sign has any authority on private land.

This sign does not currently exist and I have never seen it.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2024, 12:32:20 pm »
So, can you evidence that the sign no longer exists? Can you provide a photo showing that the sign is no longer there and that there is no other sign at the entrance that conforms to the requirements of the PPCs AOS?

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #43 on: March 19, 2024, 12:35:53 pm »
According to GSV, that sign has been in place for several years.
It also appears to be a UKPC sign.

From this image the OP uploaded it seems like that sign is no more:


OP - a slight aside to the technicalities of the case... Returning to your point about moving out of the UK soon, a couple of questions:
  • Is this permanent? What is the likelihood of you moving back within the next 6 years?
  • When you move, will you be maintaining any financial interests/connections here?

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #44 on: March 19, 2024, 12:50:16 pm »
So, depending on your answer to the question above by @DWMB2, we will have an idea on how to advise you to proceed at this stage.