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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2024, 03:52:39 pm »
The Google Maps is old and is not reflective of how the gym looks now.

Half the gym in the Google maps has turned into offices. The red lines are where the signs have been placed and where I park - and have been parking for years.

The restricted parking sign no longer exists and I have never seen it in person. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2024, 03:55:01 pm »
In which case get evidential photos, preferably date stamped, tat can show the difference between the photos in GSV.

This may never get court. It may just escalate tot he usual debt collector letters which can be safely ignored. If/when it does get to a claim, depending on which legals they use, it can be easily defended using a template defence. However, we are a long way off that at this stage,
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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2024, 04:04:17 pm »
Evidential photos of what, to be exact?

I’ve appealed four and no doubt they’ll all be rejected. 2 have already. By my estimates, I have 5 more to come.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2024, 04:17:30 pm »
Evidential photos of what, to be exact?

Up to date photos of all the signage from the entrance and where you were parked. I really in the same lighting conditions that were at the time. Use natural light. No flash or headlights.

They can then be compared to what is in GSV and you could put the operator to strict proof as to when exactly the current signage was installed. Are there any significant changes to the actual terms?

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2024, 04:21:39 pm »
Yes, term change quite significant. Essentially: ‘don’t park in these particular spaces’. However, it is not made clear exactly which spaces it is referring to (it just places them near a section, which happens to be where I have been parking for years).

The signage is poor and unlit, especially for the dark mornings we have been having. Give me about an hour and I will drive over and get the signage.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2024, 05:15:56 pm »
Here’s a link to all the signage!

https://imgur.com/a/O0RBYzy

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2024, 05:24:46 pm »
And how visible/readable are those signs at 6am on a mid-winter day?

There is an entrance sign as you turn left into the car park. Picture?
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« Reply #22 on: March 17, 2024, 05:28:06 pm »
Near impossible. Could barely read it on this clear day without having to zoom in.

Slight issue. The sign states something about parking on bays. As the lines of the bays are all over the place, I as well as other drivers don’t often adhere to the bay lines. Could they add that to the list of ‘offences’? Especially as sometimes my car goes over a handicap bay (the lines for the bay are unclear).

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2024, 05:30:19 pm »
Further, the sign is amidst bushes so I couldn’t get any closer to it.

There is a sign a little further along, however, at the same height but not in bushes.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #24 on: March 17, 2024, 05:45:17 pm »
Slight issue. The sign states something about parking on bays. As the lines of the bays are all over the place, I as well as other drivers don’t often adhere to the bay lines. Could they add that to the list of ‘offences’? Especially as sometimes my car goes over a handicap bay (the lines for the bay are unclear).

Each PCN can only be for whatever contravention is stated on the NtK. In the case you've shown us, it is:



You will have to see what each NtK states.

An unregulated private parking company cannot issue invoices for any "offences". They are simply invoices for an alleged breach of contract. Nothing "offensive" about that except the scamming ex-clamper trying to extort you.
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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2024, 05:56:56 pm »
Got it. So. Each contravention has been for the driver allegedly  not registering their number plate.

In regards to your previous question, you ask for entrance image. This?
 This is the other side of the building (entrance of the offices) to which I never drive by and have only seen for the first time today. 

As you can see, someone else is even parked there unbeknownst to them, perhaps.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2024, 06:10:06 pm »
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However, I am actually due to be moving country in 6 months time. Will a court case be solved by then?!
Almost certainly not. Are you moving outside the UK?

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2024, 06:14:16 pm »
How did you get to that location as you have to pass a no entry sign unless you enter the car park the normal way and drive around the building, in which case you probably passed this sign (unless it is no longer there):



Not that the no entry sign has any authority on private land.
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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2024, 06:20:23 pm »
Yes, I’ll be moving out of the UK. Out of Europe.

Ah, I see the confusion. It is one way. A unwritten rule is if you park near enough the exit (hence why people aim to been park around that particular area where the contravention occurred), you can turn right and slip out through the one way.

If you’re further up, it’s usually frowned upon.

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Re: Five PCNs - parked outside my gym.
« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2024, 06:21:44 pm »
I took that image on foot, by the way.