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I have a response from ECP today pdf link attached below.
https://ibb.co/Fk1z8T9n


My initial appeal pdf link below.
https://ibb.co/sJHkjp1Y

What are your thoughts please?

Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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This is EXACTLY the type of appeal response which the CMA are highlighting in their open letter.

You should submit your situation to the CMA in order to add the pile of evidence which they have against ECP.
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Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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Didn’t think of contacting CMA. I’ll get onto them now regarding this.

Thanks intercity125 that’s a good call worth looking into to.

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The CMA won't get this cancelled and you'll still need to go through the POPLA process but we can highlight the fact that, as per the CMA open letter, ECP are not assessing appeals in a professional or credible manner.

The notice is not POFA complaint either so keeper liability cannot occur.
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Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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Proposed POPLA Appeal – for review before submission

Thanks InterCity125.

I have looked further into the CMA point. I understand that the CMA will not intervene to cancel an individual PCN and that I still need to follow the normal POPLA process. I also appreciate the point about referring to the current CMA investigation when addressing the quality of ECP’s appeal consideration, rather than treating the CMA investigation itself as a ground for cancellation.

More importantly, you have mentioned that the Notice to Keeper is not POFA compliant and therefore keeper liability cannot arise.

Before I submit anything to POPLA, I would appreciate confirmation of the precise POFA defect you have identified so that I can plead that accurately.

Subject to that point being clarified, below is essentially the full argument I currently intend to put to POPLA. I would appreciate anyone’s views on anything that should be added, removed or corrected.

POPLA APPEAL

I appeal this Parking Charge Notice as the registered keeper.

I ask that the appeal be allowed on the following grounds:

1. Euro Car Parks has not established keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
2. Euro Car Parks has not demonstrated compliance with section 3.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice concerning a material change to the previous parking arrangements.
3. The changed parking arrangements were not communicated with sufficient prominence when viewed from the actual driver’s approach.
4. Euro Car Parks has not demonstrated the necessary landowner authority.
5. Euro Car Parks’ rejection did not substantively address the principal grounds and evidence contained in the original appeal.

1. No keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012

The appeal is brought by the registered keeper.

The driver has not been identified.

Euro Car Parks expressly states in its rejection that it seeks to rely upon Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to recover the parking charge from the keeper.

Accordingly, Euro Car Parks must demonstrate strict compliance with the applicable requirements of Schedule 4 before liability can be transferred from an unidentified driver to the keeper.

[INSERT PRECISE POFA DEFECT IDENTIFIED ON THE NOTICE TO KEEPER.]

In the absence of compliance with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4, liability cannot be transferred to the registered keeper.

I therefore ask POPLA to allow the appeal on this ground alone.

2. Material change – section 3.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice

Euro Car Parks identifies itself as a BPA Approved Operator on its correspondence.

Section 3.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice deals specifically with material changes to pre-existing parking terms.

It provides that where there is a material change to pre-existing terms and conditions which would not be immediately apparent to a driver entering controlled land that is or has been open for public parking, the operator must place additional temporary notices at the site entrance for a period of not less than four months from the date of the change, making clear that new terms and conditions/charges apply, so that regular visitors familiar with the previous terms do not inadvertently incur parking charges.

The accompanying guidance specifically identifies the introduction of parking enforcement where none previously applied as an example of a material change.

This provision is particularly relevant to this site.

The parking associated with Cardiff International Pool had historically been free and the driver was familiar with those longstanding arrangements.

Following receipt of the Notice to Keeper, enquiries were made with Cardiff International Pool concerning the unexpected change. The pool advised that the car park had been sold to a private owner around April 2026.

The parking event occurred on 19 July 2026.

On the information presently available, the parking event therefore occurred approximately three months after the reported change and appears to fall within the minimum four-month period specified by section 3.4.

Euro Car Parks is therefore put to strict proof of:

1. The precise date upon which the new parking regime commenced.
2. The date upon which the additional temporary notices required by section 3.4 were installed.
3. Contemporaneous dated photographs demonstrating exactly what additional material-change notices were present on the date of the parking event.
4. The location, size and positioning of those additional notices.
5. A contemporaneous site/signage plan showing the relevant notices.
6. Evidence demonstrating that the additional notices remained in place for the minimum four-month period required by section 3.4.

3. Inadequate prominence of the material-change notice

I do not contend that there was no signage whatsoever at the entrance.

There is ordinary Euro Car Parks entrance signage and beneath that signage is a comparatively small yellow panel stating:

“New parking rules in operation.”

This appears to be the additional notice upon which Euro Car Parks may seek to rely for the purposes of section 3.4.

The existence of a notice, however, does not by itself determine whether the material change was adequately communicated when considered in its actual setting.

Photographic evidence is provided showing the approach to the car park sequentially from a driver’s perspective.

There is no conspicuous advance changed-terms notification on the approach.

The vehicle approaches the nearby roundabout, takes the relevant exit and, within a short distance, reaches the turn into the car park.

At the entrance, the Euro Car Parks signage is positioned to the side of the direction of travel. The yellow “New parking rules in operation” panel is positioned beneath the ordinary entrance signage and is considerably less prominent.

The photographs demonstrate the signage as it would actually be encountered by an approaching motorist, rather than through close-up photographs taken directly in front of individual signs.

This distinction is particularly important in the context of section 3.4, whose purpose is specifically to prevent regular visitors familiar with previous parking arrangements from inadvertently incurring parking charges following a material change.

The Code also requires signage to be visible, legible and unambiguous to drivers and requires the size and positioning of entrance signage to take account of the expected speed and direction of vehicles approaching the entrance.

The issue is therefore not whether Euro Car Parks can produce a close-up photograph demonstrating that words existed on a sign.

The issue is whether the material change was communicated with sufficient prominence to an approaching motorist, particularly one familiar with the previous longstanding free-parking arrangements.

4. The driver’s route after parking

The location at which the vehicle was parked is also relevant when considering whether the changed parking arrangements were subsequently brought to the driver’s attention.

The vehicle was parked close to the trees and pedestrian access/walkway at the edge of the car park, as demonstrated in the photographic evidence.

After parking, the driver left through that pedestrian access rather than walking back towards or through the vehicle entrance.

The driver subsequently returned to the vehicle using the same pedestrian route.

The driver therefore did not subsequently pass the vehicle entrance signage on foot.

This is relevant to the practical opportunity available for the recently changed parking arrangements to be brought to the driver’s attention.

5. Landowner authority

Euro Car Parks is put to strict proof that it possessed the necessary written landowner authority to operate this site and issue parking charges on the date of the parking event.

This is particularly relevant given the relatively recent reported change in ownership/management of the car park.

I request that Euro Car Parks demonstrate that its authority covered:

* the relevant land and its boundaries;
* the period including the date of this parking event;
* the applicable parking terms and tariff; and
* authority to issue and pursue parking charges.

A generic witness statement or evidence that does not establish the extent and duration of the operator’s authority should not be treated as sufficient evidence of authority for this particular site and parking event.

6. Euro Car Parks did not substantively address the original appeal

The original appeal expressly raised the recent change in parking arrangements and the prominence and adequacy of the signage.

Euro Car Parks’ rejection does not substantively determine those issues.

Instead, the rejection states that the site is operated using ANPR, that it is a Pay by Mobile car park, that charges apply 24 hours a day and that no Pay by Mobile transaction could be identified for the vehicle.

Those matters establish Euro Car Parks’ position that no payment was recorded.

They do not establish that the newly introduced parking terms were adequately communicated following a material change.

Nor does the rejection explain:

* when the new parking regime commenced;
* whether the parking event occurred within the section 3.4 four-month period;
* when the additional temporary notices were installed;
* what additional material-change notices were in place on the date of the event; or
* how Euro Car Parks considers those notices complied with section 3.4.

The original appeal therefore does not appear to have received a substantive response to its central ground.

Conclusion

This appeal is not based simply upon an assertion that the driver did not notice a parking sign.

There are separate substantive issues for POPLA to determine.

First, Euro Car Parks seeks to pursue the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. If its Notice to Keeper does not satisfy the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4, keeper liability does not arise.

Second, this site underwent a relatively recent and material change from longstanding free parking to privately controlled paid parking.

Section 3.4 specifically addresses such circumstances and requires additional temporary entrance notices for at least four months so that regular visitors familiar with previous arrangements do not inadvertently incur parking charges.

The parking event occurred approximately three months after the reported change.

The photographic evidence demonstrates the actual approach to the site, the absence of conspicuous advance changed-terms notification and the limited prominence of the yellow “New parking rules in operation” notice when viewed in its actual context.

Euro Car Parks should therefore be required to demonstrate both compliance with Schedule 4 for keeper liability and compliance with the applicable Code requirements concerning the material change.

For the reasons above, I respectfully request that the appeal be allowed and the Parking Charge Notice cancelled.

That is the POPLA appeal I am presently considering.

The obvious outstanding issue is completing Ground 1 with the exact POFA defect InterCity125 has identified.

I’d appreciate any comments or corrections before I decide whether to proceed to POPLA.

Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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Any suggestions please, anyone ?

Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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InterCity125 can you please clarify exact pofa defect so I can insert into appeal to popla ?

Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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Sure.

This was from another case I helped with.


Once again the operator asserts that the NtK is PoFA compliant when it is not.

In order to be compliant the NtK must contain specific text and legal choices as specified by Schedule 4 of PoFA.

In this instance, the requirements of Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) are not satisfied by the operators NtK.

To be compliant, the requirements of 9(2)(e) can only be met if a specific paragraph is placed in the NtK which should read as follows;

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At the current time, Euro Car Parks (the creditor) does not know both the name and a current address for service for the driver.

The keeper is therefore INVITED TO PAY THE UNPAID PARKING CHARGES  (Para 9(2)(e)(i) requirement but not present on the Euro Car Parks NtK)

Or

If the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass this notice onto the driver (Para 9(2)(e)(ii) requirement)
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The required paragraph is clearly missing from the operators NtK.

The information must be presented in this manner to be compliant ie in one paragraph. Compliance cannot be achieved by, for example, placing the information at random points throughout the NtK since this would not present the keeper with the legal choice which 9(2)(e) requires.

The Euro Car Parks NtK never states the mandatory wording required by para. 9(2)(e).

The Euro Car Parks NtK never 'invites the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges'.

The Euro Car Parks NtK never presents the two legged legal choice which para. 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii) requires.

If the required mandatory wording and subsequent legal choice is present on the NtK then, I would ask that either Euro Car Parks or the POPLA assessor point out the required statutory wording?

In order to rely on PoFA, all requirements of Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2) must be met - the wording is not subjective, it is 100% objective in nature.
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Re: Euro Car Parks Private Land NTK in post received
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I have the final appeal ready to upload on to popla. Please can you point out any errors or corrections needed.

I’m sorry it is a bit long but I greatly appreciate your time and help. Thanks.


POPLA APPEAL – EURO CAR PARKS

Location: Cardiff International – Empire Way
Date of parking event: 19 July 2026

I appeal this Parking Charge Notice as the registered keeper of the vehicle.

I ask POPLA to allow the appeal on the following grounds:

1. Euro Car Parks has not established keeper liability because its Notice to Keeper does not comply with paragraph 9(2)(e) of Schedule 4 to the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

2. Euro Car Parks has not demonstrated compliance with section 3.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice following a material change to the longstanding parking arrangements.

3. The alleged new parking arrangements were not communicated with sufficient prominence from the actual approach taken by the driver.

4. The driver’s route after parking materially reduced any subsequent opportunity to encounter the entrance signage.

5. Euro Car Parks is put to strict proof of its landowner authority for this site and the terms of that authority as at 19 July 2026.

6. Euro Car Parks’ rejection failed substantively to address the central issue raised in the original appeal: the recent material change to a previously free car park and the adequacy of the changed-terms warning.

1. Failure to establish keeper liability under Schedule 4 POFA 2012

Euro Car Parks expressly seeks to rely upon Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 to recover the charge from me as registered keeper.

For keeper liability to arise, the statutory requirements of Schedule 4 must be satisfied.

This was an ANPR/postal Notice to Keeper and paragraph 9 therefore applies.

Paragraph 9(2)(e) requires the Notice to Keeper to state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to invite the keeper:

(i) to pay the unpaid parking charges; or

(ii) if the keeper was not the driver, to notify the creditor of the driver’s name and a current address for service and to pass the notice to the driver.

I have carefully reviewed the Notice to Keeper issued by Euro Car Parks.

It states:

“If you were not the driver at the time the Parking Charge was issued, please provide full name and address of the driver in writing and pass the notice on to the driver.”

This substantially addresses the second alternative in paragraph 9(2)(e).

However, I cannot identify within the Notice to Keeper the corresponding statutory invitation required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i), namely an invitation to the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges.

The front of the notice states that a Parking Charge of £100 is payable and provides payment methods. However, the statutory requirement in paragraph 9(2)(e) is not simply a requirement to provide payment facilities or state that money is owed. Parliament expressly required the Notice to Keeper to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges or, if the keeper was not the driver, to identify the driver and pass the notice to them.

Indeed, under the heading “PROTECTION OF FREEDOMS ACT 2012”, Euro Car Parks states that the driver is required to pay the parking charge and then provides the paragraph 9(2)(f) warning concerning potential recovery from the keeper after 28 days.

What appears absent is the separate statutory invitation required by paragraph 9(2)(e)(i).

I am not suggesting that Schedule 4 necessarily requires Euro Car Parks to reproduce the legislation word-for-word or to put the information into any particular layout. My point is narrower: the Notice to Keeper, read as a whole, must contain all of the information and invitations required by paragraph 9(2)(e).

I therefore ask Euro Car Parks to identify precisely where in its Notice to Keeper it considers the requirement of paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) to have been satisfied.

In the absence of compliance with all applicable Schedule 4 requirements, liability cannot be transferred from the driver to the registered keeper.

The driver has not been identified in this appeal.

I therefore submit that Euro Car Parks has failed to establish keeper liability.

2. Material change to longstanding parking arrangements – section 3.4

This is not simply an appeal based upon a motorist saying that they did not see an ordinary parking sign.

There had been a material change to the longstanding parking arrangements at this location.

The driver had been a regular user of Cardiff International Pool and this car park for a period of years. During that longstanding usage, parking associated with visits to the facility had been free.

There was therefore an established and familiar parking arrangement from the perspective of a regular returning user.

Due to health issues, there was then an unusual period of approximately three months during which the driver did not attend the facility.

Upon subsequently returning, the driver parked in accordance with what they genuinely understood to be the longstanding arrangements.

After the Parking Charge Notice was received, I contacted Cardiff International Pool because the charge was unexpected. I was informed by staff by telephone that the car park had been sold to a private owner around April 2026.

I make clear that I presently have no documentary evidence establishing the precise date upon which the new parking arrangements commenced. That information should be readily available to Euro Car Parks and/or its principal.

The parking event occurred on 19 July 2026.

Section 3.4 of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice addresses material changes to pre-existing terms and conditions. Where there is a material change which would not be immediately apparent to a driver entering land that is or has been open for public parking, the Code requires additional temporary notices at the entrance for at least four months, making clear that new terms and conditions/charges apply.

The purpose is particularly relevant to motorists who are familiar with the previous arrangements and could otherwise inadvertently incur parking charges.

The non-mandatory explanatory note accompanying section 3.4 gives the introduction of parking enforcement where none previously applied as an example of a material change.

That is highly relevant here.

I therefore put Euro Car Parks to strict proof of:

* the exact date upon which the previous free-parking arrangements ended;
* the exact date upon which Euro Car Parks’ parking regime commenced;
* the terms which existed immediately before that change;
* the date upon which the additional temporary changed-terms notices were installed;
* contemporaneous dated photographs showing those temporary notices as they appeared when first installed and as they appeared on 19 July 2026;
* their dimensions and wording;
* their precise locations;
* a site plan showing their positioning relative to the vehicle entrance and the driver’s approach; and
* evidence that the required temporary notices remained in place for the required period.

This evidence is particularly important because, if the information given to me by Cardiff International Pool is correct and the material change occurred around April 2026, the parking event on 19 July 2026 occurred only a few months later and potentially within the four-month period expressly contemplated by section 3.4.

3. The material change was not communicated with sufficient prominence

I acknowledge that there was parking signage at the entrance. I am not alleging that absolutely no signs existed.

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether the material change from the longstanding arrangements was communicated with sufficient prominence to a regular returning user.

I have provided photographs showing the site from the driver’s actual approach.

The route involved approaching the roundabout, taking the first left and then, within a very short distance, turning right into the car park.

There was no conspicuous advance warning on the approach which alerted the driver to the fact that the longstanding parking arrangements at this familiar facility had materially changed.

At the entrance there is a Euro Car Parks sign displaying “Pay On Arrival”. There is also a considerably smaller yellow notice associated with the entrance signage referring to “New parking rules in operation.”

I acknowledge the existence of that notice.

However, the fact that a small changed-rules notice physically existed does not itself answer the section 3.4 issue. The question is whether the change was made sufficiently clear and prominent to a driver entering the site in the actual circumstances.

The driver genuinely did not appreciate that the longstanding arrangements had changed.

This was particularly significant because the driver had used this location regularly for years. Following an unusual absence of approximately three months, the driver returned to what was a very familiar location.

From the driver’s perspective, the car park did not feel or present itself as though the longstanding parking arrangements had materially changed.

There had not been some obvious transformation of the entrance which immediately alerted a returning regular user to the fact that a previously familiar free-parking arrangement had been replaced.

There was ordinary Euro Car Parks signage, of the sort motorists encounter at many locations, and the comparatively small yellow changed-rules notice. The latter was not sufficiently prominent from the actual approach to overcome the driver’s established familiarity with the previous arrangements.

The driver’s failure to appreciate the change is therefore not being advanced as a substitute for the Code requirement. Rather, it illustrates precisely why the Code requires additional temporary changed-terms notices where familiar arrangements have materially changed.

The photographs I have supplied should therefore be considered from the driver’s perspective and viewing distance, rather than simply by examining a close-up photograph of an individual sign.

A close-up image establishing that words can be read when standing immediately in front of a sign does not establish that the material change was sufficiently conspicuous to a motorist approaching and entering the site.

I invite POPLA to consider my driver-eye photographs alongside any photographs supplied by Euro Car Parks and to distinguish between close-up evidence of what a sign contains and evidence of what a driver could reasonably appreciate during the actual approach.

4. Driver’s pedestrian route after parking

The location at which the vehicle was parked is also relevant to the practical opportunity to encounter the signage.

The vehicle was parked close to the trees/hedging and pedestrian access/walkway, near the main roundabout.

After parking, the driver left the car park through that pedestrian route.

The driver subsequently returned to the vehicle through the same pedestrian route.

Consequently, the driver did not subsequently walk past the vehicle entrance signage after parking.

This matters because any suggestion that the driver necessarily had another clear opportunity, after leaving the vehicle, to appreciate the changed entrance arrangements would not reflect what actually occurred.

The driver entered by vehicle, parked near the pedestrian access, exited by that pedestrian route and returned through the same route.

I have supplied photographic evidence showing the parking position and surrounding layout.

Again, the relevant question is the practical opportunity which this particular driver had to appreciate that a familiar longstanding parking arrangement had recently been changed.

5. Landowner authority

Euro Car Parks does not own this land.

Given the apparent recent change in ownership and/or management arrangements at the location, I require Euro Car Parks to demonstrate that it possessed the necessary authority from the relevant landowner or other party entitled to grant that authority on 19 July 2026.

I put Euro Car Parks to strict proof of written authority covering this particular land and the material date.

That evidence should establish, at minimum:

* the identity of the contracting landowner or person authorised to grant the rights;
* the boundaries of the land upon which Euro Car Parks was authorised to operate;
* the commencement and duration of that authority;
* the parking terms and tariff Euro Car Parks was authorised to impose;
* any exemptions or concessions applicable to users of Cardiff International Pool or other facilities;
* Euro Car Parks’ authority to issue Parking Charge Notices; and
* its authority to pursue unpaid charges in its own name.

A generic statement that Euro Car Parks has authority, or an undated witness statement which does not establish the relevant contractual position on 19 July 2026, would not properly answer this ground.

Given that this appeal specifically concerns a recent material change in the parking arrangements, the commencement date and scope of Euro Car Parks’ authority are directly relevant.

6. Euro Car Parks’ rejection did not substantively address the principal appeal issue

My original appeal raised the recent change to the parking arrangements and the adequacy/prominence of the signage.

Euro Car Parks’ rejection does not meaningfully address that issue.

Instead, it states that the car park is operated using ANPR, that it is a Pay by Mobile car park, that charges apply 24 hours per day, and that no Pay by Mobile account was found for the vehicle.

Those matters establish Euro Car Parks’ allegation that no payment transaction was recorded.

They do not answer the central issue raised in the appeal:

When did the longstanding free-parking arrangement change, and did Euro Car Parks comply with the specific requirements applicable to communicating a material change to motorists familiar with the previous arrangements?

The rejection does not identify the commencement date of the new arrangements.

It does not address section 3.4.

It does not explain when the temporary changed-terms notices were installed.

It does not provide contemporaneous evidence demonstrating how the material change was communicated from the driver’s approach.

It simply concludes that the notice was issued correctly.

I therefore ask POPLA to consider the substantive grounds and evidence rather than treating the absence of a Pay by Mobile transaction as determinative of the appeal.

Conclusion

This appeal is not based merely upon an assertion that a driver did not read an ordinary parking sign.

There are two substantial and separate issues.

First, Euro Car Parks seeks to recover the charge from the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Its Notice to Keeper appears not to contain the complete statutory invitation required by paragraph 9(2)(e), and Euro Car Parks should therefore be required to demonstrate how keeper liability has lawfully arisen.

Second, this location had longstanding parking arrangements familiar to a regular user. Following an unusual absence of approximately three months, the driver returned and genuinely did not appreciate that those arrangements had materially changed. The photographs demonstrate the actual approach and the relative prominence of the ordinary entrance signage and the much smaller changed-rules notice.

If, as Cardiff International Pool staff informed me, the arrangements changed around April 2026, the parking event on 19 July occurred only a few months after that change. Euro Car Parks should therefore produce the contemporaneous evidence necessary to demonstrate compliance with the Code’s requirements concerning material changes.

The driver’s subsequent pedestrian route also meant that the vehicle entrance signage was not passed again on foot after parking.

Finally, given the recent change in the management of the car park, Euro Car Parks should demonstrate that it possessed the necessary landowner authority on the material date and the precise scope of that authority.

For all of these reasons, I respectfully request that POPLA allow this appeal and direct Euro Car Parks to cancel the Parking Charge Notice.

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I would add (under point 1) that the ECP NtK never contains any wording which states, either verbatim or otherwise, 'that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver'.

Emphasise that the legislation specifically says that the NtK must STATE this mandatory wording and that the mandatory wording is not present.
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Thanks for that point intercity125 I have placed this specifically under ground 1 of my appeal as shown in bold below, also had to integrate this under conclusion also shown in bold as below.


I have carefully reviewed the Notice to Keeper issued by Euro Car Parks.

The Notice to Keeper does not state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, either in the statutory wording or substantively to the same effect.

The notice does contain later conditional wording concerning what may happen after 28 days if Euro Car Parks does not know both the name and current address of the driver. However, that wording forms part of the paragraph 9(2)(f) keeper-liability warning. It does not state the present fact required by paragraph 9(2)(e): that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver.


Conclusion

This appeal is not based merely upon an assertion that a driver did not read an ordinary parking sign.

There are two substantial and separate issues.

First, Euro Car Parks seeks to recover the charge from the registered keeper under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. Its Notice to Keeper appears not to satisfy paragraph 9(2)(e) in two distinct respects: it does not state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, and it does not contain the statutory invitation under paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) inviting the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges.

How is that ?

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Looks good.

It is, as you say, a lengthy appeal.

My worry (based on experience) is that the POPLA Assessor will 'skip over' the very awkward POFA statutory wording issue and simply say that, "I have examined the notice and it contains all the information required by POFA".

POPLA find it very difficult to engage with these POFA wording appeal points on ECP NtKs since they are not actually compliant - therefore the Assessor is forced to find a way to get around each appeal point without actually addressing it.

In simple terms; by including multiple appeal points you give the Assessor the opportunity to focus on the subjective appeal points whilst deliberately ignoring the objective requirements of POFA.

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Thanks.

Yes I have the same worry from experience too. Praying that it lands with an assessor who actually has a brain instead of a peanut.

I wonder if people are also making complaints to popla in regards to this. It would certainly benefit.

Quick question if this appeal is not allowed and it goes to court do the judges recognise non pofa compliance then?

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Of course, it’s a matter of law.

Your POPLA appeal is a good basis for a defence to a county court claim, if POPLA rejects it. POPLA is not a court and is often incompetent. A court can’t ignore appeal points because it finds them too difficult. In any case, it’s normal for court claims to be discontinued if properly defended; the reason they’re brought is because they either make people pay up or they get ignored, and if ignored the claimant will obtain a default judgment. In either case the bringing of the claim costs nothing other than the time of the people raising the forms.
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Oh ****. My appeal character count is over 15k. Appeal in popla limit is 10k.

Anyone know if popla permits appeals to be uploaded in pdf?
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