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ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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As I fought another DCB clam last year, I'm aware that if the correct process is followed then they will pull out shortly before their court fee becomes payable.  With this in mind, I am keen to make sure I do everything correctly from the start.

A few things to mention:
- This was in an abandoned industrial estate with all the businesses closed for some months
- As such there was no possible way a person could park in accordance with the Ts&Cs as those require the user to be a customer of one of the businesses
- There was a gate that would have prevented entry, however this is always left open (my point being that if they truly wanted to stop people parking there, they could have just closed off the car park.  Clearly a money making "scheme")
- The car was inside the car park for a total for 11 minutes

Now for the paperwork:









- I believe all I need to do at this point is acknowledge service?
- I do have a MCOL account
- What will be the next date when action is needed, or will this become clear later?


Thanks for your help.

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Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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The original PCN?

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« Reply #2 on: »
This was two years ago, so I am not sure I have it.  Is this strictly necessary at this point?  Presumably they will have to submit it in their evidence bundle.  Thanks

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With an issue date of 28th May, you have until 4pm on Monday 16th June to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 30th June to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order that goes with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you combine both documents as a single PDF attachment and send as an attachment in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Euro Car Parks Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Euro Car Parks Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4. The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Adequately explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

5. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4.

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: ECP / DCB Court Claim - Advice Appreciated
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Thanks for your help once again.  Just to be 100% sure, for the second option, when you say "combine both documents" you mean the (personalised) document above starting "IN THE COUNTY COURT" and the linked Draft Order for Defence, is that right?

Much appreciated!
« Last Edit: June 04, 2025, 02:22:20 pm by dave-o »

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« Reply #5 on: »
Yes
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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« Reply #6 on: »
Thanks, the defence has been submitted as advised.
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I've just received a package from DCB containing:

- A letter stating that their client intends to proceed
- A pre-filled N180 that they want me to fill in.  They have checked "suitable for remote hearing" and "hear in claimant's home court"

Just to check that, as I believe, this is a fiendish attempt to get me to remove my right to a personal hearing in my own court.

I believe I should ignore this and wait for something from the actual court?

Thanks
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 02:44:23 pm by dave-o »

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You send in your own N180 in due course, and your choices in that trump theirs. You do it online downloading a blank form.

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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180), do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 12:36:35 pm by jfollows »

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« Reply #9 on: »
Presumably the court will contact me to ask for this though right?

Surely the onus can't be on the claimant to tell the defendant what to do?
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 02:03:18 pm by dave-o »

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Just check your MCOL history. When it updates to say that your DQ has been sent, just follow the instructions given above.

The Claimant is not telling the defendant what to do. All you have received is a copy of their DQ. File it or use it as kindling. No one cares. Just as when you file yours, you are obliged to copy in the claimant or their legal representative.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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This claim does not show in MCOL at all, should it at this stage?.  I believe the account was set up under an old email address though, not the one I used to send the defence in.  Will MCOL be using my name and address to identify me or my email?  I'm just wondering if I need to set up another MCOL account using my new email address.
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 02:48:55 pm by dave-o »

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I have no idea why your MCOL is not showing your claim. Your defence has obviously been submitted and a copy served on the claimant. You access your MCOL through your Government Gateway. Use whatever email address you used to set up your Gateway and then use the MCOL password given in the claim form.

If you have no luck, just download your won N180DQ and follow the instructions already provided.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

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I can log on to MCOL fine, and I can see the one I won last year.  But there is no reference to this new one.

Sorry to keep labouring the point, but surely the court will contact me to let me know more documents are required?  They can't just expect people to check MCOL?

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Yes, you will eventually receive a letter from HMCTS with the N180 DQ forms that you are required to complete and submit to the court and a copy to the claimant. However, you can simply preempt it by downloading your own N180,  completing it on your computer and emailing it without having to print anything off.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain