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DCBL notice of intended legal action
« on: January 28, 2025, 03:11:33 pm »
Hi,

I have received this letter from
DCBL on behalf of euro car parks.. I haven’t contacted either companies this is my second letter.

The car park changed company…they had just installed new machines and on the day the machines were not working and neither were the QR codes to the website many people were also struggling with this. The barriers were up and i
Drove off and i know i should have taken a screen shot of the QR not working and a picture of machines

My question now is, what advice would you give and what is my next step?

Thanks in advance
Sue

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2025, 03:19:14 pm »
READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!**, 

https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/

post the original pcn using an external host.

dcbl are toothless debt collectors, you should ignore them for not contact them AT ALL

meaningfully advise once you've posted the pcn.

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2025, 03:26:45 pm »
Hi

Thank you for your reply Unfortunately i dont have the original letter of PCN.

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2025, 03:44:23 pm »
I think euro car parks are not fully pofa compliant. if do its an easy win as you haven't told them who the driver was.

wait for others to comment in case I'm wrong. @b789 will have a  suitable response for you.

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2025, 05:12:36 pm »
Are you saying that you did receive a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) by way of a postal Notice to Keeper (NtK) back in February last year but you have either discarded or mislaid it? You say that what you have shown us is the "second letter". Do you mean that this is the second letter you've received from DCBL?

You can safely ignore DCBL and any other debt collector or Debt Recovery Agent (DRA). They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying the now inflated charge out of ignorance and fear. Understand that they are to a party to the contract that the driver allegedly breached.

Ignore the useless and powerless DRAs. Use their letters as kindling. We do not need to see them and you should simply ignore them. DCBL cannot initiate legal action as they are not a party to any contract.

What you will subsequently receive is a Letter of Claim (LoC) from their sister company, DCB Legal. They are a bulk litigator of ill-repute and not to be feared. We can guarantee with 99% certainty that any claim issued by them will end up being discontinued as long as it is defended.

For now, you simply ignore everything except an LoC or an actual N1SDT Claim Form from the CNBC. Come back when you receive one of those and we will provide guidance on how to deal with them. No one who is here receiving advice )and following it) pays a penny to ECP.
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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2025, 07:03:29 pm »
Yes that is correct this is the second letter received and have lost the first letter.

Thank you so much for putting my mind at ease i was about to make the payment today luckily i came across this page.

Thank you for all your help and advice, i will get reply on here when i receive the other documents u mentioned.

God bless you kind hearted people ❤️

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2025, 06:59:31 pm »
Hi i have received this letter today is this the letter i need to look out for ?
« Last Edit: February 09, 2025, 06:26:57 am by Sue786 »

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2025, 07:36:06 pm »
You need to redact at least your address and preferably your actual name, @Sue786, although I see your name is on the first letter you posted too.

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2025, 06:25:23 am »
Ah yes of course, i have removed my address now
« Last Edit: February 09, 2025, 06:27:44 am by Sue786 »

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2025, 10:33:18 am »
Which bit of this advice did you not quite understand?

You can safely ignore DCBL and any other debt collector or Debt Recovery Agent (DRA). They are powerless to do anything except to try and scare the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying the now inflated charge out of ignorance and fear. Understand that they are to a party to the contract that the driver allegedly breached.

Ignore the useless and powerless DRAs. Use their letters as kindling. We do not need to see them and you should simply ignore them. DCBL cannot initiate legal action as they are not a party to any contract.

If you are desperate for toilet paper, you can use that letter.

You are looking out for a letter that will say "LETTER OF CLAIM" or something similar on it. It will not come from any debt collector or DRA. It will most likely come from DCB Legal (not DCBL) but could be from any one of number of incompetent bulk litigators.

Debt collector threats will only ever give you 14 days to pay. A real LoC will give you 30 days.
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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2025, 04:50:43 pm »
Hi,

I have now received the much dreaded Letter of claim 😩, i would really appreciate any advice i can get please 🙏

Thanks in advance
Sue

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2025, 06:23:36 pm »
You can respond to it with the following or you can simply ignore it and wait for the inevitable N1SDT Claim Form that will eventually follow:

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DCB Legal Ltd
Direct House
Greenwood Drive
Manor Park
Runcorn
Cheshire
WA7 1UG

By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Date]

Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated 20th February 2025

I refer to your Letter of Claim.

I confirm that my address for service at this time is as follows, and I request that any outdated address be erased from your records to ensure compliance with data protection obligations:

[YOUR ADDRESS]

Please note that the alleged debt is disputed, and any court proceedings will be robustly defended.

I note that the sum claimed has been increased by an excessive and unjustifiable amount, which appears contrary to the principles established by the Government, who described such practices as “extorting money from motorists.” Please refrain from sending boilerplate responses or justifications regarding this issue.

Under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, I require specific answers to the following questions:

1. Does the additional £70 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

I would caution you against simply dismissing these questions with vague or boilerplate responses, as I am fully aware of the implications. By claiming that PCNs are exempt from VAT while simultaneously inflating the debt recovery element, your client – with your assistance – appears to be evading VAT obligations due to HMRC. Such mendacious conduct raises serious questions about the legality and ethics of your practices.

I strongly advise your client to cease and desist. Should this matter proceed to court, you can be assured that these issues will be brought to the court’s attention, alongside a robust defence and potentially a counterclaim for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,


[YOUR NAME]

Save as a PDF file and attach to an email addressed to info@dcblegal.co.uk and also CC in yourself.[/quote]
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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2025, 07:49:41 pm »
Thank you so much! I will email this over to them now and wait for their reply

Thank you

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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2025, 04:07:12 pm »
Good afternoon,

I have received a reply from my email today, please see below, help and advise would be greatly appreciated 🙏



We write in response to your correspondence received in our office dated 28/02/2025. 

We now respond to the same as follows.

When parking on private land, the contractual terms of the site are set out on the signs. You are entering a contract and agreeing to the terms by parking and staying on the site. Parking in breach of the terms as stipulated on the signage means that you are then breaking the terms of the contract. To confirm your Parking Charge was issued due to ‘NO Valid Payment Permit Was Purchased.’

On each occasion our Client applied to the DVLA for the details of the Registered Keeper of the Vehicle. Your name and address of 71 Cranston Close were provided. Our Client therefore issued correspondence to you at that address. It is your responsibility, as the Registered Keeper, to ensure the DVLA is kept up to date with your current address at all times. Please find attached document which supports this statement. 

In accordance with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, where the parking charge becomes overdue and before Court proceedings have commenced, a reasonable sum may be added for the debt recovery fees. The correct recovery fees have been added and will not be removed.  It would have been made clear in the terms and conditions set out in the signs that additional enforcement costs may be incurred in the event of non-payment.

The sum added is a contribution to the actual costs incurred by our Client as a result of your non-payment. Our Client’s employees have spent time and material attempting to recover the debt. This is not our Client’s usual business and the resources could have been better spent in other areas of the business. Had you of paid as per the Contract, there would have been no need for recovery action so the amount due would not have increased.

The amount owed is a genuine pre-estimate of the losses incurred in managing the parking location to ensure compliance with the clearly displayed terms and conditions. However, in Parking Eye Ltd v Beavis, it was found, both at County Court and Court of Appeal level, that appealing a parking charge on the basis that the amount is not a genuine pre-estimate of loss is, in fact, not a successful legal defence.

The HMRC ‘VAT Supply and Consideration manual’ (VATSC06140), confirmed that parking charge notices falls out of the scope of VAT. 

You now have 30 days from the date of this email/letter to make payment of £170.00. Failure to make payment will result in a Claim being issued against you without any further reference.

Payment can be made via bank transfer to our designated client account: -

Account Name: DCB Legal Ltd Client Account   
Sort Code: 20-24-09   
Account Number: 60964441
You must quote the correct case reference (120673.81818D) when making payment. If you do not, we may be unable to correctly allocate the payment. If further action is taken by us as a result of an incorrect reference being quoted, you will be liable for any further fees or costs incurred.

We would ask that you kindly furnish us with your most up to date telephone number, this can be emailed to us at info@dcblegal.co.uk. 

Alternatively, you can contact DCB Legal Ltd on 0203 838 7038 to make payment over the telephone or online at https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/pay-online/.

 

Kind Regards,
 
Amy Wibberley
 
DCB Legal Ltd 
 
Tel: 0203 838 7038 | DX 23457 Runcorn
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Re: DCBL notice of intended legal action
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2025, 06:06:29 pm »
Respond with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated [DATE]. However, your response fails to properly address the key points raised in my previous correspondence. Specifically, you have failed to answer two fundamental questions under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

In my previous letter, I asked the following questions:

1. Does the additional £70 represent what you describe as a “Debt Recovery” fee? If so, is this figure net of or inclusive of VAT? If inclusive, I trust you will explain why I, as the alleged debtor, am being asked to cover your client’s VAT liability.

2. Regarding the principal sum of the alleged Parking Charge Notice (PCN): Is this being claimed as damages for breach of contract, or will it be pleaded as consideration for a purported parking contract?

Your failure to answer these questions is a clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. I require full and clear responses to these questions within 14 days. If you fail to engage properly, this will be brought to the attention of the court, and I will seek costs for unreasonable conduct.

You continue to claim an additional £70, yet the Supreme Court in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 made it clear that the parking charge itself covers all operational and enforcement costs. Paragraph 98 of Beavis states that the parking charge is set at a level to cover the costs of managing the scheme and to make a profit. Paragraph 100 further confirms that the charge was set at a level to ensure financial viability and enforcement. This confirms that the parking charge itself already includes the costs of running the scheme, including debt recovery. Adding a further £70 is an attempt at double recovery and is unlawful.

You have also referenced the BPA Code of Practice but not referenced which version applies. Nowhere in any of the versions of the BPA CoP or the new Single Code of Practice does it say that the £70 charge is automatically justified. The Code does not override case law, and it does not exempt you from having to prove that the £70 reflects an actual and reasonable cost incurred. If this charge represents a genuine cost, I require a full breakdown of what it covers.

County Court rulings have consistently struck out this additional charge as an abuse of process. In Britannia Parking v Semark-Jullien (Southampton, 11/11/19, F0HM9E9Z), the court ruled that it was an abuse of process to add an additional sum to the parking charge. In Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson (Bradford, 02/07/20, G4QZ465V), the court again ruled that the claim was tainted by an additional charge that should not have been added. If you proceed with a claim including this charge, I will apply for a strike-out and costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

The £70 charge also breaches the Consumer Rights Act 2015. Schedule 2, Part 1, Paragraph 6 of the Act states that any term requiring a consumer to pay a disproportionately high sum in compensation is unfair and unenforceable. You have failed to provide any cost breakdown to justify this sum. A blanket £70 charge is neither a genuine pre-estimate of loss nor a proportionate expense.

The Civil Procedure Rules also do not allow recovery of debt collection costs in the Small Claims Track. CPR 27.14(2) makes it clear that these costs are not recoverable. Any attempt to claim them as part of the principal sum is unlawful.

Furthermore, the Government’s Impact Assessment for the Private Parking (Code of Practice) Act 2019 found that the average cost of debt recovery per claim (not per PCN) was less than £9. This considers that most debt recovery firms operate on a no-win, no-fee basis. Your client’s claim that £70 is a reasonable cost is therefore false.

Within 14 days, I require clear answers to my original two questions regarding the nature of the £70 charge and the legal basis of the PCN. I also require a full breakdown of the £70 charge, including whether it includes VAT, and if so, why I am being charged your client’s VAT liability. Additionally, you must provide evidence that the £70 charge was clearly stated in the contractual signage at the location.

Failure to provide this information will be considered a lack of transparency and may be used in my defence should this matter proceed to court. If you commence proceedings without addressing these issues, I will apply for a strike-out under CPR 3.4(2)(a) and (b) on the grounds that you have failed to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol and that the claim is tainted by an abuse of process.

I suggest you review Beavis, the various versions of the BPA CoP and the BPA/IPC Private Parking Single Code of Practice, and recent County Court rulings before issuing any claim.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
[Your Address]
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