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Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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I was issued a parking charge notice from UKPC with the reason for issue being 'Parked in a permit area without displaying a permit'

I appealed this PC in writing and via post, on the grounds that I was not parking, I was unloading and was not causing any obstruction. The time stamped pictures from UKPC show a period of 2 minutes, I left the spot in around 5 minutes.

The vehicle was a hire car, so there was a delay between the PC being issued and me receiving it in the post. I did not receive a response to my appeal, and have seen no further correspondence until receiving the County Court Claim Form almost 10 months later.

Please could you offer advice on how to respond to the claim - do I agree and pay despite my original appeal, or do I disagree with the claim? I am worried that my original appeal would not stand and therefore I would end up in court, however I am unsure as to whether they have followed all necessary steps.

Many thanks,
BMatt

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Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Did you receive a Notice to Hirer in your own name and did it include
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• a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement;

• a copy of the hire agreement;

• a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement; and

• a copy of the original NtK.
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If you received your own NtH then it won’t have included these documents because UKPC - in common with their brethren - can’t be bothered to send them.

In your appeal did you identify the driver? Better still, please show us all the correspondence.

The NtK and NtH should define a “period of parking”, how long do they say?

They will not have followed “necessary steps” but your appeal may have blown up this avenue of defence.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2025, 03:23:50 pm by jfollows »

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Thanks for your response.

I unfortunately do not have the original document, but from memory it was a Notice to Hirer, however this was just a single form with payment/appeal info on the back, and did not include any of the other information you have quoted re copy of the hire agreement etc.

Again, I do not have a copy of my appeal as I sent this in writing (a lesson learnt to keep this in future!) I did admit to driving the vehicle, as I stated that I was unloading rather than parking.

There was no period of parking defined, i believe they only quoted the time at which their photo was taken.

I apologise I can't provide any more specifics as I don't have the original PC (I am able to access it online if that helps, however there is little info)

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Post the court claim form (redact name, address, claim no and MCOL password).  Despite what has gone before it's highly likely they have goofed up the claim.

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Please see attached copy of the claim form, let me know if you need anything else.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-6URN66pciK9sMpv7d1qy9-fyuzkJr1N/view?usp=drive_link

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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I also do not know whether my appeal was ever received as I didn't hear back - might this mean that they do not have admission of me being the driver?

Thanks again!

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Your link is set to private...

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Apologies, I have changed the settings so should now be viewable!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-6URN66pciK9sMpv7d1qy9-fyuzkJr1N/view?usp=sharing

Please let me know if you are still unable to see.

Thanks!

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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If you follow the advice you receive here, you will not be paying a penny to UKPC. Is the Claim Form addressed correctly to you at your current address? If so, with an issue date of 14th October you have until 4pm on Monday 3rd November to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 17th November to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC plead liability only as “driver” or, in the alternative, as “keeper”. The vehicle was on hire. No keeper liability can arise absent strict PoFA Sch 4 paras 13–14 compliance (incl. the mandatory hire documents), which is neither pleaded nor evidenced.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found that requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Thanks, I have submitted that online and waiting for a reply!

Thanks for your help so far!

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Hi,

I have finally received the following email back - do I need to do anything at this stage?

‘ Good Morning

Having reviewed the content of your defence, we write to inform you that our client intends to proceed with the claim.

In due course, the Court will direct both parties to each file a directions questionnaire. In preparation for that, please find attached a copy of the Claimant's, which we confirm has been filed with the Court.

Without Prejudice to the above, in order to assist the Court in achieving its overriding objective, our client may be prepared to settle this case - in the event you wish to discuss settlement, please call us on 0203 434 0433 within 7 days and make immediate reference to this correspondence.

If you have provided an email address within your Defence, we intend to use it for service of documents (usually in PDF format) hereon in pursuant to PD 6A (4.1)(2)(c). Please advise whether there are any limitations to this (for example, the format in which documents are to be sent and the maximum size of attachments that may be received). Unless you advise otherwise, we will assume not’

Do I need to respond or do I wait for further instruction?

Thanks!

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Nothing to do. All normal. You have received a copy of their N180 DQ. You are now waiting for your own N180.

Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180) or been notified on MCOL that yours has been sent, do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own N180 DQ here and fill it in on your computer. You sign it by simply typing your full name in the signature box.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/673341e779e9143625613543/N180_1124.pdf

Here are the answers to some of the less obvious questions:

• The name of the court is "Civil National Business Centre".

• To be completed by "Your full name" and you are the "Defendant".

• C1: "YES"

• D1: "NO". Reason: "I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a hearing in person and to expose omissions and any misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as the only true witness to events in question
.."

• F1: Whichever is your nearest county court. Use this to find it: https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/search-option

• F3: "1".

• Sign the form by simply typing your full name for the signature.

When you have completed the form, attach it to a single email addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC in yourself. Make sure that the claim number is in the subject field of the email.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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Thankyou!

Sorry, just to clarify do I wait for them to send me a form or do I just fill in the one you have linked?

Thanks!

Re: Court Claim from UKPC/DCB Legal Ltd - Previously appealed PC
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You don’t need a paper form but you need to wait for MCOL to indicate that it has been sent.
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Having received your own N180 (make sure it is not simply a copy of the claimants N180) or been notified on MCOL that yours has been sent, do not use the paper form. Ignore all the other forms that came with it. you can discard those. Download your own N180 DQ here and fill it in on your computer.

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Ah okay perfect, thankyou!