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County Court Claim received from CEL
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Received Money Claim for unpaid PCN today
No details of t and c broken or clauses of contract
No breakdown of how they get to £180
Parking of £1 was paid on the day by an app but had my old car registration by mistake (car was written off)
How do I respond to a claim issued on 25 June?
What do I need to do and by when?
Can it be defended?

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 07:52:58 pm by ace123 »

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Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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How long is a piece of string?
No details, so are we expected to guess?
Please post details and read https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
We’ll help if we can, but we need more from you.

Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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Of course it can be defended. However, how do you expect to receive advice with such scant detail?

Show us the N1SDT Claim Form. We don't need to see any of the other forms that arrived in the pack. You can throw this away.

When you show us the Claim Form, ONLY redact your personal details, the claim number and the MCOL password. Leave everything else visible, especially ALL dates.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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Claim form (redacted) added. Apologies! [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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With an issue date of 25th June, you have until 4pm on Monday 14th July to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 28th July to submit your defence.

If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order and relevant transcripts that go with it. You only need to edit the claimant's name (as it appears on the claim form), your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send all the documents as a single PDF attachment (in the order of 'defence', 'draft order' and then the 2 'transcripts') in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of Civil Enforcement Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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IN THE COUNTY COURT
Claim No: [Claim Number]

BETWEEN:

Civil Enforcement Ltd

Claimant

- and -

[Defendant's Full Name]


Defendant



DEFENCE

1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16.7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4.(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:

(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Failed to explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:


Date:

Draft Order for the defence

CEL v Chan Transcript

CPMS v Akande Transcript
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Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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Can you submit a defence which should really be an application for strike out?
Surely, once Directions are issued then that gives Claimant an opportunity to improve their claim form?
What are the chances of success?
« Last Edit: June 28, 2025, 10:47:42 pm by ace123 »

Re: County Court Claim received from CEL
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Uh? That defence does include a draft order for a strike out! It was authored with the assistance of a long serving district judge.

The Claimant cannot "improve" their claim form! If they wanted to submit further PoC, they had to do so within 14 days of the claim being issued. There is a possibility that a judge may order them to submit further PoC but they would have to also then give you an opportunity to amend your defence in response.

The PoC do not state any cause of action and fail to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

Chances of success much higher than 50% if you're asking. CEL are handling this with their in-house legal team, who, in my experience, are not very good.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain