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Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Good morning all--

I am the registered keeper of a vehicle and a few days ago received from Civil Enforcement a document titled "Parking Charge Notice (PCN) Notice to Keeper" in respect of the vehicle.

As you will see from uploaded pics of the document, the driver appears to have been in the car park for 26 minutes. I gather that the driver was using the car park to wait for a family member. They don't appear to have been aware that the car park was subject to ANPR monitoring. No parking was paid for.

The document is dated 19 March 2026 and I first saw it on Wednesday 25 March 2026. (Having had a busy few days with work, it was only on the 25th that I checked my post properly so I don't know the precise date of delivery; in theory it could have come through my letterbox on any of 20/21/23/24/25 March.)

This morning, Monday 30 March 2026, I visited the car park to take some photos, four of which have been uploaded. Some context:

  • The first image below, marked 'Phone & Pay or Pay at Machine', is the first sign drivers see when entering the car park (there is only one entrance)
  • The second image shows that the payment machines state "Valid ticket must be clearly displayed in windscreen" (there are three parking machines; two have this wording and the third doesn't say either way)
  • The third and fourth images show two of the large 'Parking' signs in the car park

A few thoughts...

- The entrance sign refers to 'Phone and Pay', which is what the car park used to use for payment. Notice that the large signs still mention that company's website around halfway down the blue section ( www.phoneandpay.co.uk).

- The entrance sign seems to be almost wholly incompatible with Annex A (Entrance Signs) in the BPA code of practice. The entrance sign also fails to display wording referred to in Annex B, Table B.1: "Entrance Sign to display / Parking tariff applies".

- There seems to be black-and-white inconsistency between the wording on the payment machines which states "Valid ticket must be clearly displayed in windscreen" vs the signs which state "There is no need to display a ticket in your windscreen".

- The large signs are, themselves, inconsistent. Halfway down one of them says "Payment must be made within 15 minutes of arrival at the premises" and the other says "Payment must be made before leaving the car park".

- The top right section of the large signs states, in relation to RingGo: "Please see side of machine for T&Cs" - but the sides of the three payment machines are blank / display no T&Cs.

As registered keeper I plan to submit an appeal to Civil Enforcement. If anyone has any advice about the most relevant/irrelevant parts of what I've mentioned, or anything I may not have thought of, I would be hugely grateful.

Thank you.

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« Last Edit: March 30, 2026, 12:46:22 pm by wakefield33 »

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Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Since my post, I spoke to staff at the venue and they are adamant they can't/won't do anything. They have a policy of not getting involved.

So - based on research over the past 48 hours here's what I'm planning to submit as an appeal. If anyone has a moment to suggest improvements, or point out any areas where I'm wasting my time, I would appreciate it massively.

Huge credit to user b789, who I hope doesn't mind that I have used part of a previous/unrelated post of theirs as the basis for some of this.

Thank you.


Re: Parking Charge Notice (PCN) No. [PCN Number]
Vehicle Registration No: [VRM]
Issue Date: 19/03/2026

I am appealing as the registered keeper of the vehicle. I am under no legal obligation to provide the driver’s details, and I decline to do so.

Civil Enforcement Ltd (CEL) has failed to comply with the strict requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), which are necessary to hold the keeper liable. I outline the following points of non-compliance:

1. Failure to comply with PoFA schedule 4 paragraph 2(3):

Paragraph 2(3) further clarifies that 'adequate notice' means signs must clearly specify the parking charge and be positioned in such a way that the charge is brought to the attention of drivers. In this case, CEL did not display sufficient signage to meet this requirement.

2. Failure to comply with PoFA paragraph 9(2)(c):

PoFA paragraph 9(2)(c) requires that the Notice to Keeper describe how the parking charge arose and how the requirement to pay was brought to the attention of the driver. Given that CEL has failed to provide adequate notice as defined in paragraph 2(3), the Notice to Keeper does not comply with this requirement. CEL’s partial or substantial compliance with PoFA is insufficient to establish keeper liability, as full compliance with all PoFA requirements is mandatory.

In any event, CEL’s signage found at the car park is inconsistent and does not comply with the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice in various ways, including but not limited to the following:

• The entrance sign refers to ‘Phone and Pay’, which is how payment by mobile phone USED to be accepted at this car park but has since been replaced by RingGo, while some other signs still refer to the 'Phone and Pay' website;

• The entrance sign displays none of the Group 1 wording found in the ‘Entrance Signs’ Annex of the BPA Code of Practice;

• The size of the text on the entrance sign is too small to meet the requirements found in the ‘Entrance Signs’ Annex of the BPA Code of Practice;

• Signs on the payment machines themselves state “Valid ticket must be clearly displayed in windscreen”, while other signs state the opposite: “There is no need to display a ticket in your windscreen”;

• CEL signs are inconsistent: some state, around halfway down, “Payment must be made within 15 minutes of arrival at the premises”, while another says in the same area of the sign “Payment must be made before leaving the car park”.

Furthermore, should CEL reject my appeal, I will expect them to provide the following evidence to POPLA:

• A detailed layout of the car park showing the location of all signage.

• Proof of the exact location where the vehicle was parked, and how this relates to any signage.

• Evidence that the signage used to display the parking terms and conditions is fully compliant with the BPA Code of Practice.

CEL will be put to strict proof of the vehicle’s parking location and the relationship of that location to any signs passed between the parking space and the Lido.

In light of these clear breaches of PoFA and the inadequate signage, I request that the Parking Charge Notice be cancelled.
« Last Edit: April 01, 2026, 12:02:31 pm by wakefield33 »

Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Wycombe Rye/Holywell Mead is under statutory control via local byelaws.
This includes the Lido car park.
The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, s3(3) & (4) excludes it from the 'relevant land' definition.
In short, CEL should not be issuing private parking charges there.
An Act to provide for the destruction, retention, use and other regulation of certain evidential material; to impose consent and other requirements in relation to certain processing of biometric in...
legislation.gov.uk


Fusion Lifestyle, who lease the site from Buckinghamshire Council, has gone into administration. Whether or not that will affect CEL's contract with them remains to be seen.
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Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Do the Byelaws specifically mention parking?

Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Appears to be some history on this point with the council!  https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rye_and_mead_byelaws_and_other_r

Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Appears to be some history on this point with the council!  https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/rye_and_mead_byelaws_and_other_r

You could say that, yes.  :)
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Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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Do the Byelaws specifically mention parking?

I think so, yes.
CEL 'neither confirms or denies'.  ;D
Suffice to say, any pcn's for this site, challenged citing byelaws, quietly disappear.
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Re: Civil Enforcement Ltd - no payment - Wycombe Rye Lido
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The parking operator is breaching  the Code of Practice by mentioning PoFA liability on land which is not relevant.

This is also a breach of the DVLA KADOE agreement.

They are misusing your personal data.
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