Author Topic: Civil Enforcement Ltd - N1SDT Claim form recieved for PCN isssued for Swanley Park parking in New Barn Rd  (Read 21935 times)

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OK, thx.

Again, can it go out from my email account but with her typed name as the signature?

or ...

Should I prepare the correspondence for her to send from her email a/c?

If only I could claim for your and my time too  :-\

It matters not one iota from whose account the email is sent. That is the same as asking whether I should post something from my local post office or a different one.

If you're worried about something, you can just use like "Hide my email" if you're an Apple user. Just make sure you use an email address that will be checked regularly.
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No, not worried about anything as such. Just thought it might look a bit odd if the signatory was different from the e-mail a/c name.

OK, thx for all the advice. About to file the complaint & claim now - at last. I'll assume you want me to report back on any progress/response from the court as I get it, unless you tell me otherwise.

Thx again for guiding me thru this. Really appreciated.
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Sorry, back again.

OK, so I tried to amalgamate your draft letters to the court posted at #141 and 144 into a single letter, and it's fairly clear to me from those drafts that the only costs I can claim appear to relate exclusively to post-discontinuance time spent. But as already advised, that was all my time - not the defendant's - which you have told me cannot be claimed.

The defendant spent approx. 4-5hrs of her time on this claim, but that was all pre-discontinuance. If she cannot claim pre-discontinuance time, doesn't that remove the raison d'etre for the letter to the court? The complaint to the SRA is looking like the only valid option available to us in this case - unless you can explicitly confirm that pre-discontinuance costs can be claimed.

I'm not sure how DCB Legal can be held liable for those costs, and I don't want to submit a fraudulent claim just to make a point about their non-compliance and ignorance of process.

Once a claim has been allocated to the small claims track, discontinuance does not automatically entitle the defendant to all of their “pre-discontinuance” costs.

The normal rule in CPR 38.6 is that when a claimant discontinues they must pay the defendant’s costs up to the date of discontinuance. However, CPR 38.6(3) switches that rule off for any case that is proceeding on the small claims track. Once allocated, you are back in the small-claims costs regime, which is CPR 27.14.

That does not mean you can only claim post-discontinuance costs. It means that any costs you claim, whether incurred before or after discontinuance, have to fit within what CPR 27.14 allows.

There are two routes.

First, the “ordinary” small claims costs: fixed issue fee, any hearing fee, and certain limited disbursements such as reasonable travel expenses and witness expenses. Those can include things incurred before discontinuance, but they are a narrow category.

Second, CPR 27.14(2)(g). The court can depart from the no-costs rule and award “such further costs as it may assess on the small claims track” where a party has behaved unreasonably. Under this route you can ask the court to award your reasonable time as a litigant in person at £24 per hour, plus any additional disbursements, to the extent that work was caused by the claimant’s unreasonable behaviour. That can cover work done before discontinuance (for example, dealing with incoherent or non-compliant particulars of claim, having to put them to proof on points they ought never to have pursued, or work forced on you by abusive pre-trial conduct) and work after discontinuance (for example, having to chase them about an N279 signed by someone whose authority they refuse to clarify).

So the short, honest answer is:

You cannot claim your full pre-discontinuance costs “as of right” in the way a fast-track defendant could rely on CPR 38.6. But you can still seek recovery of pre-discontinuance time and expenses if you present them either as ordinary small-claims costs (where they fit that box) or as costs flowing from unreasonable behaviour under CPR 27.14(2)(g). The key is to tie each chunk of time and spend to specific examples of unreasonable conduct and then invite the court, in its discretion, to award those sums.

In this case, a late discontinuance very close to a hearing (or after you have incurred substantial work) can support an application for unreasonable behaviour costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g), especially where, as in this case, the claim was obviously weak or defective from early on (e.g. hopeless PoC, clear PoFA failure, no standing, duplicate claims) and the claimant pressed on, ignored clear rebuttals, then pulled out only at the last minute.
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OK, got it. Thx.

And phew! Good to know all that hard work (ie, yours) hasn't gone to waste.

What is:

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(b) Liberty to apply.
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“Liberty to apply” is a standard civil-procedure clause that gives either party permission to return to the court only for issues about the implementation of the order, not to reopen the substance of the case.

It does not allow the losing party to re-argue anything decided. It simply preserves the court’s ability to deal with practical or consequential points that might arise after the order is made.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

OK, thx.

All done bar the sending. Before I send the letter to the court, do I cc DCB Legal?

Yes. Anything you send to he court must be Ccd to DCB Legal.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

@Eryobotrya, as we can no longer access Imgur files, can you please post a copy of your N279 Notice of Discontinuance so I have it for use as evidence of DCB Legal's misconduct in these cases.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain


The judge has directed completion of form N244.
Need some guidance re. Q's 1&2. Am I answering as her legal rep, or as the claimant?

And before we proceed any further, do you know if there is a fee for filing this form?

TIA, and Merry Xmas

Can you show us the order? The N244 fee will depend on what the order is telling the defendant to do.

You cannot be a "legal rep" because you are not legally qualified to be one. You are assisting the defendant but it must all be in their name as though it is them applying.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

That's what I thought.

 
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From:
enquiries.bromley.countycourt@justice.gov.uk
To:
Xxxxxx Xxxxxxx
Cc:laurent@dcblegal.co.uk,

Thu, 18 Dec at 15:22

Good afternoon,

Thank you for your email dated 08/12/2025. This along with the case file was referred to the Judge for further directions. Please see the Judge’s comments below.

'Defendant needs to make formal application on form N244.'


Kind Regards,

Miss Hadia Hanif
Civil Back Office
The County Court at Bromley