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CPP Parking charge at Hospital Coventry
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I went to visit my uncle.
While I was looking for parking I did not really thing of where I am parking, ended up parking at the Circle Meriden hospital.
Patient was at University hospital. This is in Coventry.

At exit I paid for my time there but when I entered my reg I had to select the time manually due to not being found on their system. I didnt think much of it as I was elsewhere with my mind.

A couple weeks later I received a ticket saying I owe 100£ or 60£ if i pay within 14 days.
I sent them the evidence of payment and received another email saying I parked at the wrong site. The site I parked on is for that hospital only.

I am sure I read the signage and nothing hinted at that being the case. however I wasn't in the right mindset and I could be mistaken.

the vehicle is my company car, its on lease to the company i work(Not my company) for and I am a registered driver.

When appealing i gave them my full details.

What would I have to do here now? Is there a chance I can win this at all?

Or

Can I just ignore this without extra charges being tacked on and end up paying 3x the amount?

Picture attached.

Edit: I keep getting "The upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator." when trying to upload the letter.

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Re: CPP Parking charge at Hospital Coventry
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Follow the advice in this thread about how to upload pictures to your thread:

READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide

Have you tried to contact PALS at the hospital and asked them to intervene and get the PCN cancelled?

It's a pity you have revealed yourself to have been the driver. In future, if you ever receive a PCN in a leased car, you have a "golden ticket" as long as the drivers identity is not revealed.
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CPP Parking charge at Hospital Coventry
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Yea i didnt know that i should tell them
i thought i did the right thing.

can you tell me why its a golden ticket when leasing?

I will have to try PALS on Monday. not sure they will help, will they?
It seems to be my fault?

letter attached.

https://imgur.com/a/unu2bvl

edit:
Cant put up signage as its miles away from where I live.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2024, 02:07:19 pm by Danny »

Re: CPP Parking charge at Hospital Coventry
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Some clarification needed first. You say you received a PCN. You say the car you were driving is a company car that is on lease. Was the PCN you received in your name? If so, was it a Notice to Keeper (NtK), Notice to Hirer (NtH) or a Notice to Driver (NtD)?

Any alleged breach of contract with an unregulated private parking company (PPC) is always between the driver and the operator. When a PPC decides that there has been a breach of contract, they have no idea who the driver is. They use probable cause to get the keepers details from the DVLA.

Once the have the keepers data, the keeper is known and the driver is still unknown. Provided they issue an NtK that fully complies with the provisions of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if  they don't know the drivers details, they can transfer the liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

However, as the vehicle is leased/hired to a third party, the keeper (the lease company) can transfer their liability to the Hirer/lessee. So, now the PPC has the details of the known hirer/lessee. As long as they still follow the requirements of PoFA, they can still hold the known hirer/lessee liable for the charge if they don't know the unknown drivers detail. They then issue an NtH to the hirer/lessee, your employer in this case.

It is at this stage the 99.99% of PPCs screw up the PoFA requirements because they fail to provide copies of certain documents with the NtH. So, now your employer has received an NtH and decide to pass it on to you. Unfortunately, your employer, more likely than not, has no idea that they can tell the operator to go swivel on a sharp stick and nothing will come of it.

This is where it gets confusing and messy. I'm assuming that your employer gave you a copy of the NtH and then you got in touch with the PPC and gave them your details making the unknown driver the known driver. As I mentioned at the beginning of this, the driver is always liable for any alleged breach of contract. Until you told the PPC that you were the driver, they had no idea who it was.

It was a "golden ticket" because as long as the drivers identity is not revealed, a hired/leased vehicle will cause a PPC to screw up the requirements of PoFA 99.99% of the time when they issue the NtH. All you had to do was not reveal the identity of the driver and get your employer to understand that they were not liable either. The only problem you would have had, is getting them to do a POPLA appeal (if it was a BPA member PPC) or ignoring all the useless debt collector letters that they would receive if it was an IPC member.

So, please correct me if I'm wrong in my assumption that you eventually receive an NtD in your name after you told the PPC or did you simply appeal as the driver to an NtH addressed to your employer?
« Last Edit: June 16, 2024, 04:08:39 pm by b789 »
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: CPP Parking charge at Hospital Coventry
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Wow, did not know all this.
Knowing my company and the person who deals with the letters, she would have given me up on the first sign of me ignoring it.
She is literally emailing me every Monday asking me if they accepted my appeal or if im going to pay.

You are correct, I replied to the "Parking Charge Notice" as myself revealing my ID. Its my first ticket where I thought i had the right to fight. This is only the second notice i got in years, the other I just paid and was done with due to forgetting to pay for a ticket.

Once i IDed myself I got the letter attached above. No NTH or NTK or anything.