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Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
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Hello! Hope all are doing well!

Well here we are, nearly a year since the last update and after ignoring several debt collection service letters, I'm now the lucky recipient of a Letter before action from CE.

Letter attached (note that it's dated 04 September but received just a few days ago, probably around the 18th.

They've also included Annex 1 from here https://www.justice.gov.uk/documents/debt-pap.pdf and a Press Summary of two cases: Cavendish Square Holding v Talal El Makdessi and ParkingEye ltd v Beavis as well as some paperwork to fill in if one is unable to pay.

https://www.justice.gov.uk/documents/debt-pap.pdf

Letter: (not sure how to get it to embed?)

https://imgur.com/a/qC1ILkW
« Last Edit: September 23, 2025, 07:44:48 pm by Keeper »

Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
« Reply #46 on: »
You do not use any of the forms that demand. Simply respond with the following in an email and CC yourself:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Re: PCN at Sacred Heart Wimbledon, Edge Hill – VRM [reg] – LBC dated 04/09/2025

Dear Sirs,

1) Protocol non-compliance
Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail and omits the key documents required to enable informed engagement. It fails to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (paras 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1–5.2) and the Practice Direction – Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (PD-PAC), including the duty to exchange key documents before proceedings.

2) Documents required
Pursuant to PAPDC 5.1–5.2 and PD-PAC 6, provide in a single paginated PDF bundle:

(1) The original NtK (both sides) and all subsequent notices.
(2) The precise legal basis relied on (keeper liability under PoFA 2012 or driver liability) and strict proof of PoFA compliance, including the statutory warning and an identified period of parking.
(3) All photographs/ANPR images and full VRM [reg] in/out logs covering at least one hour either side of the material times, plus any manual checks.
(4) Contemporaneous photographs of the actual signs in situ on the material date, the full terms in readable close-ups, and a site plan showing location/number of signs and the entrance signage.
(5) An unredacted landowner contract/chain of authority showing your standing to offer contracts, issue PCNs and litigate in your own name at this site on the material date.
(6) Machine/payment records and audit logs for the relevant period (or confirmation none existed).
(7) A full breakdown of the sum claimed and the legal basis for any sums over the core PCN, identifying whether the principal is alleged consideration or damages and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on attracts VAT (and if so, on what basis).
(8) The name, role and regulatory status of the person with conduct of this matter.

3) Timing and hold
Given the late receipt of your LBC, confirm that the 30-day period runs from service of a compliant, document-supported LBC. In accordance with PAPDC 5.2, place the matter on hold for a minimum of 30 days after you have supplied the above.

4) Next steps
Upon receipt of a compliant Letter Before Claim and the requested documents I will seek advice and provide a substantive response within 30 days. If you issue proceedings prematurely, I will apply for a stay and appropriate sanctions for non-compliance, relying on Webb Resolutions v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments v Park West Club (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, and Charles Church Developments v Stent Foundations & Peter Dann [2007] EWHC 855, together with PD-PAC paras 13, 15(b)–(c) and 16 and PAPDC 7.2.

5) Address for service & data accuracy
Record the address after my signature as my address for service. If you hold any other address, rectify your records and confirm erasure of incorrect data.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]

[Address for service]
Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
« Reply #47 on: »
Brilliant, thanks! I got half way through point 2 and started chuckling.

Do you think they will back down, or send me everything requested?

I have used the following email addresses for CE

office@ce-service.co.uk
Legal3@ce-service.co.uk

I've also seen that the email has been opened (possibly automatically) 1 minute after sending

Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
« Reply #48 on: »
Update on this one! Received this letter by post



I feel they've not responded adequately to my previous correspondence, so I assume the next step is to respond basically pointing out their non-compliance with the PD-PAC. Anything else at this stage?

OR, no response at all?



THANKS for the continued advice

Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
« Reply #49 on: »
Is this the first response you've received? If so, yes I would do as you suggest, but also make clear that it has taken them 5 months to issue a 3 paragraph response that neither properly engages with the issues you raised nor complies with the PAPDC.

You don't want to end up in an endless letter ping-pong, but if you can create a clear paper trail that evidences their shoddy conduct this is advantageous.

As ever feel free to show us a draft.

Re: Civil Enforcement - No permit - Sacred Heart Church Wimbledon
« Reply #50 on: »
Is this the first response you've received? If so, yes I would do as you suggest, but also make clear that it has taken them 5 months to issue a 3 paragraph response that neither properly engages with the issues you raised nor complies with the PAPDC.

You don't want to end up in an endless letter ping-pong, but if you can create a clear paper trail that evidences their shoddy conduct this is advantageous.

As ever feel free to show us a draft.

Yes this was the first response!

Planning to respond with the below, although I realised there is no return address and I'm overseas so may just try sending via email again, cc'ing myself.
_____________________

Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 26 February 2026.

Your response does not properly engage with the matters raised in my previous correspondence and fails to provide the documents specifically requested pursuant to the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC) and the Practice Direction - Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (PD-PAC).

1. Continuing Protocol Non-Compliance

In my previous correspondence I requested disclosure of key documents required under PAPDC paragraphs 5.1-5.2 and PD-PAC paragraph 6, in order to enable the parties to properly understand the issues in dispute and to comply with the objectives of the pre-action process.

Your response contains none of the requested material and instead consists of a brief assertion that the Parking Charge Notice was correctly issued. Such a response falls materially short of the obligations imposed upon a creditor under the Protocol.

For the avoidance of doubt, the requested documents remain outstanding.

2. Failure to Meaningfully Engage

It is notable that your organisation has taken approximately five months to produce a response comprising only a few paragraphs which neither addresses the substantive issues raised nor provides the documentation required to allow meaningful engagement with the alleged claim.

This conduct does not comply with either the letter or the spirit of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims or the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct, both of which require parties to exchange sufficient information and documentation to properly narrow or resolve disputes prior to litigation. Your letter dated 26 February 2026 also fails to provide any address for correspondence. This omission further undermines compliance with the Pre-Action Protocol, which requires parties to provide sufficient information to enable meaningful engagement and response prior to the commencement of proceedings.

3. Requested Documentation

The documents previously requested remain outstanding, including but not limited to:

the original Notice to Keeper and all subsequent notices;

strict proof of the legal basis of liability, including compliance with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 if keeper liability is alleged;

all ANPR images, photographs and VRM logs relating to the alleged incident;

contemporaneous evidence of signage in situ on the material date together with a site plan showing sign locations and entrance signage;

the unredacted landowner contract or chain of authority establishing your standing to offer parking contracts and pursue litigation at the site;

any payment machine records or audit logs relevant to the alleged period; and

a full breakdown of the sum claimed, including the legal basis for any amount above the core parking charge.

Until these documents are provided, it is not possible to properly assess the basis of your claim or provide a substantive response.

4. Reservation of Rights

We reserve the right to bring to the court’s attention, in any proceedings you may commence, your apparent failure to disclose information that is plainly central to your claim. We will further contend that your unreasonable withholding of such material amounts to a deliberate obstruction of the pre-action protocol. In those circumstances, we will seek appropriate costs sanctions against you.

Further, I expressly reserve the right to rely upon your continued non-compliance with the Pre-Action Protocol when addressing case management directions and any costs issues that may arise should proceedings be issued.

5. Protocol Timing

As previously stated, the 30-day response period under the PAPDC cannot properly commence until a compliant Letter Before Claim supported by the requested documentation has been provided.

Should proceedings be issued without compliance with the Protocol, I will invite the court to consider a stay of proceedings to allow proper compliance, together with any appropriate directions and sanctions.

6. Availability

Please note that I will be overseas until mid-April 2026. During this period I will be able to respond only to email correspondence. Any further communication should therefore be sent electronically.

If you intend to pursue this matter, please provide the requested documentation in a single paginated electronic bundle so that the issues may be properly considered.

Yours faithfully,

Keeper