TfL fine for travelling without a Zip (Oyster) card

My daughter received a fine for being on a London bus without her student zip card - it was left behind because it was in her coat pocket, and she left her coat at school while going out briefly with her friend. She appealed but the appeal was rejected. Is there anything else I can do?

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Will do, thanks.

If you've lost the appeal what do you think you can do?

I don't know...my daughter wrote in without telling me. Is there a way to appeal again?

I don't know...my daughter wrote in without telling me. Is there a way to appeal again?

What grounds would you have to appeal?

I don't know. It was an honest mistake (she had six foot left it in her coat pocket in school). That was already explained though in her first appeal.

You could try posting on rail forums sub
See
https://www.railforums.co.uk/forums/disputes-prosecutions.152/

that said, from my casual browsing on the forum in the past it seems to me TFL are very litigious (more so than the overground train operators) and if you can get away with a fine rather than a prosecution which is what they usually go for then grab it with both hands and pay up pronto.

with respect it's no good putting it on a rail forum, the daughter was travelling on a bus. As someone who has driven buses for far too many years, I have some sympathy for your daughter, but fare evasion, and that includes not being able to show a valid free pass, is endemic on London buses. Presumably she was caught by a revenue inspector on the bus? They've heard every possible excuse so many times, excuses tht have been around since the days of the introduction of horse buses by George Shillibeer in the 1830s. They just don't wash, I'm sorry to say.Was she given the opportuity to pay a are to the drier by contactless card? that is sometimes allowed.

But as others have said, TfL is very unfeeling for the likes of people who make a genuine mistake.

Thanks for your response. I have paid the fine. She actually was not given the opportunity to pay for her fare. In fact, the driver reported her to the inspector. The inspector was quite rude as well. Oh well.

"with respect it's no good putting it on a rail forum, the daughter was travelling on a bus."

There are people on Rail.uk with expertise in fare enforcement of all types, Roy.

In particular, TfL's procedures for handling bus fare evasion are almost identical to that employed for their rail fares.

It has a "Fares advice" section but also a dedicated section for buses & coaches:

https://www.railforums.co.uk/

Thanks for that link NJ. I'm only usually at the sharp end of such matters on buses!

I'd suggest the revenue inspectors are a bit off-ish as they've seen and heard it all before. I've also been watching too many editions of "fare evaders" on TV just lately!