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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2025, 04:39:51 pm »
The reason you’re not getting any advice is because you’re splurging a lot of information, only some of which might be relevant - and equally, some relevant stuff might be missing.

You’ve identified the limitation period - it runs from the date the cause of action accrued. There are exceptions, such as fraud, concealment or mistake - but I for one can’t be bothered wading through what you’ve posted to search for clues.
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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2025, 09:07:23 pm »
Fair enough. Thanks for replying.

It’s a complex case hence why I have posted so much.

Can you offer a suggestion as to what information is needed and how I can improve my post and get people engaged please?  I am having tests for cancer this Friday so things right now are not looking too bright.

When you say I have identified the date for   accrual is that 27/08 or 04/09? (As before,  this concealment for now cannot be proved by me unless they send that recording and even then they might not admit what documents they have actually deleted).

Can I ask a judge to subpoena the agent that said the documents had been deleted?  Obviously that is further down the line if the bank don’t play ball).

My other concern is that the bank have asked me if I have bank statements presumably to make me prove I’ve paid all the loans back.

It feels right now that I am onto a loser. 

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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2025, 09:39:47 pm »
Limitation is a positive defence, i.e. the defendant has to advance it. You can still win a claim past limitation if the defendant doesn’t plead the defence - so in that respect, what have you got to lose (in a small claims matter)?

The important date is when the cause of action arose. That’s the date time started to run.
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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2025, 04:14:23 am »
Thank you
Wish I had checked for a response before end as I’ve been lying awake worrying about this and other things.

I would love to give them longer to consider their position ie anytime up to Sept next year on basis of relying on the last complaint for which I did not seem to have a response. I am not surprised people won’t sift through it because it is complex and the bank sought to complicate it and deny me the right to redress. Although in fairness my extenuating circumstances should not be their problem. 

If I could I would rather not throw caution to the wind and leave it later than this week as I have no guarantee that they will produce that file.

Is a bank (the defendant) really not going to plead a defence?  I understand that and assume that is what is meant by advancing it.

Why wouldn’t they? Because £5000 is small fry to them and they don’t losing it? It’s a bank and they are greedy.
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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2025, 10:03:01 am »
They would be stupid not to plead it, so they probably will. The real point is that there’s nothing inherently wrong in making a claim that might be time barred.

In terms of concealment it boils down to when you had sufficient knowledge to know you had a claim - or ought to have known. I’m not really sure what relevance the date of any complaint has, other than perhaps demonstrating that by then you had sufficient information to know you probably had a claim.
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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2025, 10:35:59 am »
They would be stupid not to plead it, so they probably will. The real point is that there’s nothing inherently wrong in making a claim that might be time barred.

In terms of concealment it boils down to when you had sufficient knowledge to know you had a claim - or ought to have known. I’m not really sure what relevance the date of any complaint has, other than perhaps demonstrating that by then you had sufficient information to know you probably had a claim.

Although this could get expensive, I feel I do not want to let them get away with it. I think I need to get a claim in now and if that falls by the wayside at least I will learn where a judge is coming from, what standard of proof they require and go from there.  I may then well try another claim on the basis of what I learn and based on the latter date of concealment (06/08/2028) providing I receive the audio file from earlier this month where they admitted to deleting documents.

I was going to ask the judge to stay the application to give the bank sufficient time to search and come back with an offer but perhaps that is stupid. Why shouldn't they be put under pressure? My thoughts are that if they are given another 6 weeks to investigate my latest complaint then if they reject that I simply take it to the Ombudsman.  Not sure if I have mentioned this before but the Ombudsman has now given me a case number for the 04/09/2019 rejection letter as they wish to triage my case given the extenuating circumstances I have put forward and then possibly open a case. One issue here that the Ombudsman will not take a case on if there is an active court claim.  Also the Ombudsman only upheld about 11% of all PPI cases in the last 6 years and with the time bar upon me I feel I have no choice but to make a claim.  I shall plead with the Ombudsman to look at the case whilst the claim is stayed and see if they make an exception.  Having looked into it, I doubt a judge will stay a claim for a year whilst the Ombudsman looks into it. They will probably say I am chancing it.

When did I have sufficient knowledge? I thought I had sufficient knowledge in August 2019 when the PPI deadline approached but I certainly didn't have sufficient evidence as I had not even found copies of the loan agreements at the time I made the claim.  And if I need statements to prove I paid the loans off in full then I currently don't have sufficient evidence now!

The main problems as I see it (and they have hinted at this) is that they will say that they don't have copies of bank statements from 37 years ago or that they cannot now know whether the loans were paid in full.  To head that off, I am going to make a DSAR for a copy of the last statement on each loan ie the final month that I had paid and which represents the final instalment payment of each loan.  If I ask for all copies of statements from 1988 - 1992 or whenever then they are highly unlikely to want to trawl through a lot of microfiche records and will probably reject the DSAR as too labour intensive especially as I have also recently sent a DSAR in.  They could simply reject a second DSAR anyway according to ICO.

I am a hoarder so the likelihood is that I still do have the bank statements although finding them is a different matter.  I am trying to get on top of clearing as I am nearing the end of my life (and perhaps sooner than I had anticipated - the question is how long do I have.)  I have made the bank fully aware of my circumstances including the tests for cancer (which I have put off for 3 years because of other issues in my life ie the will challenge which you may recall) so they will either kick their heals hoping I will die before it gets to court or they will do the right thing (unlikely).

I did have a root around for the bank statements 6 years ago and couldn't find them. I wonder if my partner in the late 90's threw them away thinking she was doing the right thing and tidying up.


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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2025, 03:52:21 pm »
@Southpaw82

Have you any specific advice in what I should be claiming from the bank, redress wise please?

Fees for £1300 are only £80 but fees for over £5k are £455!

So whilst I’ve got nothing to lose I don’t understand whether I should be trying to get the interest on the PPI premiums back as part of the claim or allow the judge to decide

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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2025, 03:57:36 pm »
In truth, they cannot have even searched that fast.
Also don't get your hopes up on the documents deleted angle. If the message saying the documents were deleted was in 2020 then I struggle to see how you progress this.

If you have your own copies of the deleted documents then you present them to the court and argue your case on that basis so the bank's alleged deletion doesn't matter.
Having given this further thought, I would assert that they have deleted the copies of the loan agreements that I sent in. They may well have found other evidence that would have bolstered my case such as the bank statements that they have implied in a conversation they would need to see.

I’m not 100% sure I have copies of them from 38 years ago but may well have as I throw nothing out.

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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2025, 04:14:35 pm »
SP has mentioned that the signal to noise ratio of your posts would tend to disincline anyone who has both the knowledge and understanding from getting involved. In response, you appear to have made a lot of further noise, effectively just bumping the thread by restating the question(s) without addressing the inclination issue, other than by vague ramblings regarding areas that you feel others should be developing for you.



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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2025, 04:26:39 pm »
SP has mentioned that the signal to noise ratio of your posts would tend to disincline anyone who has both the knowledge and understanding from getting involved. In response, you appear to have made a lot of further noise, effectively just bumping the thread by restating the question(s) without addressing the inclination issue, other than by vague ramblings regarding areas that you feel others should be developing for you.

What do you mean by "without addressing the inclination" issue?  How do I resolve that?

If we delete the whole thread and start again, what do I need to say?

I feel that the thread as narrowed now to more specific stuff like "what amount do I claim".
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Kerfball from bank's solicitor
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2025, 08:39:58 pm »
Received email to say I have no legal basis under Section 140 of the CCA 1974 to bring a claim against the bank for PPI redress as this was amended by CCA 2006 Para 14 Schedule 3 Transitional Provisions.

I've read them and do not understand them.  My loans ended in 1993 and CCA 2006 points to credit agreements in place after 08/04/2008 according to their solicitor.  They have asked me to discontinue the claim within 2 weeks. Not sure what happens if I don't.

My understanding of S140 CCA 1974 is that the judge has wide ranging powers to make an order regarding an unfair relationship.

They have also asked for an extension of 28 days saying it would be mutually beneficial. From what I can make out, it would only be beneficial to them to give them more time to file a defence.

I don't want to unreasonably withhold agreement to extend as I understand costs could be transferred to me?  Is this correct generally?

Feel like I am up the Creek.

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Re: Time barred limit for PPI Small Claims Court Action?
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2025, 08:45:13 pm »
They would be stupid not to plead it, so they probably will. The real point is that there’s nothing inherently wrong in making a claim that might be time barred.
Just done simpler separate post on this matter. They have until tomorrow to defend. Is that not the same as pleading?

EDIT. Please see immediate post above as post has now been merged. Thank you.

Andy Foster. Thanks for merging.
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