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I’m looking for guidance on a situation involving Crown Court costs and whether there is any mechanism to seek remission due to financial hardship.

I was unsuccessful in a firearms licence appeal at Crown Court (November 2024). The judge ruled against me and awarded costs in favour of the Metropolitan Police (around £4,000+).

At the hearing, I made it clear that I was not working, but the judge did not engage with my financial circumstances and still awarded full costs. The interaction felt dismissive, and I came away with the impression that my situation had not been properly considered.

My understanding (from experience in the Magistrates’ Court) is that where someone is unemployed or on benefits, the court will usually consider their means and often remit or reduce costs, particularly if they cannot realistically be paid within a reasonable timeframe (e.g. 12 months).

Fast forward to now — I have been out of work for several months and am currently on DWP benefits. I tried to go back through the court to ask whether I could apply for some or all of the costs to be remitted due to hardship (similar to how it works in the Magistrates’ Court).

However, I’ve run into a complete dead end:

The Crown Court says it has no jurisdiction to vary or remit the costs once ordered.
The Magistrates’ Court says it also has no power to vary Crown Court costs.
I’ve been told the Met Police are enforcing the costs, and I should speak to them.
The police have allowed me to pay in instalments (e.g. ~£50/month), but they are not willing to remit or reduce the amount.

At this rate, it will take me several years to pay off the costs, which seems disproportionate given I am on benefits.

So my questions are:

Is it correct that there is no mechanism at all to apply for remission of Crown Court costs based on hardship?
Why does the Magistrates’ Court have a clear process for this, but the Crown Court apparently does not?
Is it really correct that the enforcing party (the police) are effectively the only ones who can consider hardship, rather than a court?
Is there any route (short of judicial review, which seems time-barred) to get this reconsidered?

I’ve also gone through the complaints process with HMCTS, but haven’t received any clear answer on whether such a mechanism exists.

Would really appreciate any insight from those familiar with Crown Court procedure or costs enforcement.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: advice on asking for crown court costs to be remitted
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As a general rule, you can appeal against any material decision of a court to the next court up the food chain, if it misapplied the law, procedures or was Wednesbury unreasonable. In most cases, you would need permission to appeal, either form the court you are appealing from or from the court that you were appealing to. And the appeal would need to be lodged within 21 days unless you can show a good reason why you could not lodge it within that timescale.

Off the top of my head, I would say that November 2024 was a bit more than 21 days ago.
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I’m not surprised that the magistrates court said it couldn’t help, since it is different to, and inferior to, the Crown Court. The Crown Court was exercising civil jurisdiction - not criminal - and IIRC the civil rules on costs follow, namely costs normally follow the event and ability to pay is irrelevant.
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Re: advice on asking for crown court costs to be remitted
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As I understand it, in the Magistrates Court, if a fine or costs order cannot be paid within 12 months, an individual can return to the court, make a statutory declaration of means, and apply for the costs/fine to be remitted — for example, on the basis that they are unemployed or in receipt of DWP benefits and genuinely cannot afford to pay. This is a well-established process.

**My question – Crown Court equivalent**

I am trying to establish whether there is an equivalent mechanism available in the Crown Court. Specifically:

1. **Is there a similar principle in the Crown Court** whereby, if a fine or costs order cannot be paid within 12 months due to genuine financial hardship, a person can return to the Crown Court and apply for the order to be varied, reduced, or remitted?

2. **Does the 21-day rule present a barrier?** In the Crown Court, applications to vary a sentence or order are typically made within 21 days of the original hearing (under the Crown Court's slip rule or the Court of Appeal route). However, if the basis for the application is *ongoing financial hardship* rather than an error at the time of sentencing, is there a mechanism that allows a person to return to the Crown Court *after* that 21-day window has passed?

3. t I'm unclear whether there is a specific statutory provision or procedural route equivalent to the Magistrates' remission process that applies where circumstances have changed *after* the order was made.

Any guidance on the correct statutory footing, case law, or procedural route would be greatly appreciated. I'm particularly interested in whether a change in financial circumstances (e.g. loss of employment, reliance on benefits) after the original order gives rise to a right to return to the Crown Court outside the usual 21-day window.

Thank you in advance.

Re: advice on asking for crown court costs to be remitted
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As nobody seemed to be aware of the process you are hoping exists when you first asked, I would be surprised if your "clarification" of the question has changed anything.

However, on the subject of change, as you were out of work when the judge refused to listen to your hardship plea, and are now still out of work, what material changes do you think would engage such a process, other than that they are now actively chasing you for the money.
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