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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
« Last post by MrChips on Yesterday at 06:54:18 am »22 September is actually the date of the offence rather than the PCN so likely the PCN was issued a week or two later which reduces the gap still further.
If your application is accepted, you will get all the money back. But you may still have to pay the PCN at the original rate if you don't successfully appeal it.
If your application is accepted, you will get all the money back. But you may still have to pay the PCN at the original rate if you don't successfully appeal it.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
« Last post by mewmew on Yesterday at 01:06:52 am »Thank you for your helpful replies.
If I remember correctly I reported the V5C update online. I even remember calling the police to ask about any penalties the day I reported it but unfortunately they did not know anything.
I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a reminder or something only for me to find out 6 months later that in 5 days I will have someone visiting my house!
So do you suggest I pay the whole amount (£115 + £75) and also apply with Out-of-Time Witness Statement that I updated my V5C promptly on moving house ?
If the declaration gets accepted and get me to the original PCN stage, do I then get a refund for the extra charges?
Thanks a lot in advance for the support
Mike
If I remember correctly I reported the V5C update online. I even remember calling the police to ask about any penalties the day I reported it but unfortunately they did not know anything.
I just find it so dishonest that they never sent a reminder or something only for me to find out 6 months later that in 5 days I will have someone visiting my house!
So do you suggest I pay the whole amount (£115 + £75) and also apply with Out-of-Time Witness Statement that I updated my V5C promptly on moving house ?
If the declaration gets accepted and get me to the original PCN stage, do I then get a refund for the extra charges?
Thanks a lot in advance for the support
Mike
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bus Stop Fine
« Last post by Incandescent on Yesterday at 12:09:33 am »Sorry, but we need some hard data to look at your case. Havering are a notoriously venal and rapacious council, with an appalling administrative organisation, so your story doesn't surprise me.
Please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
More advice will be given when we are up-to-speed on your predicament. However, one question - is the name and address on your V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle up-to-date in all details
Please read this and update your thread accordingly: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
More advice will be given when we are up-to-speed on your predicament. However, one question - is the name and address on your V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle up-to-date in all details
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Trafford Council 5063/White City Circle - Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
« Last post by Incandescent on Yesterday at 12:06:01 am »OK, so the PCN date is 22nd Sept 2025. The last V5C update is 8th October 2025. Can you remember how you reported the V5C update; was it online or did you send off the relevant V5C section by post ?
I think the two dates are sufficiently close together to support an Out-of-Time Witness Statement that you updated your V5C promptly on moving house. It is a postal PCN so the PCN date will be some days after the contravention date.
Advice is to pay the bailiff, because you are only at the compliance fee stage, (£75). If they visit your address they will add on £235. Both these amounts are statutory, so you cannot object to them. Paying the bailiff has no effect on whether your OOT WS will be accepted at TEC.
The £115 is the council debt, made up of: -
- the original PCN amount, (£70)
- then 50% added for a Charge Certificate, (£35)
- then £10 for registration of the debt at the TEC.
You need two forms, (1) Form TE7 to request your WS be accepted OOT, and (2) Form TE9 which is the Witness Statement in which you say why you are submitting it. Both of these can be downloaded from the TEC website. Ignore their incorrect text that says these are just for DART Charge etc. They are for use with all contraventions under the Traffic Management Act 2004 as well
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms
As you are very new to UK motoring and bailiff law, I suggest you contact: -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
to make sure you fill the forms in correctly. If you don't, the Traffic Enforcement Centre will just reject them.
Even if they are accepted, this does not get the original PCN cancelled. ALl your declaration gets you to is the original PCN stage, and you can then appeal it or pay it.
I think the two dates are sufficiently close together to support an Out-of-Time Witness Statement that you updated your V5C promptly on moving house. It is a postal PCN so the PCN date will be some days after the contravention date.
Advice is to pay the bailiff, because you are only at the compliance fee stage, (£75). If they visit your address they will add on £235. Both these amounts are statutory, so you cannot object to them. Paying the bailiff has no effect on whether your OOT WS will be accepted at TEC.
The £115 is the council debt, made up of: -
- the original PCN amount, (£70)
- then 50% added for a Charge Certificate, (£35)
- then £10 for registration of the debt at the TEC.
You need two forms, (1) Form TE7 to request your WS be accepted OOT, and (2) Form TE9 which is the Witness Statement in which you say why you are submitting it. Both of these can be downloaded from the TEC website. Ignore their incorrect text that says these are just for DART Charge etc. They are for use with all contraventions under the Traffic Management Act 2004 as well
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms
As you are very new to UK motoring and bailiff law, I suggest you contact: -
www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk
to make sure you fill the forms in correctly. If you don't, the Traffic Enforcement Centre will just reject them.
Even if they are accepted, this does not get the original PCN cancelled. ALl your declaration gets you to is the original PCN stage, and you can then appeal it or pay it.
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Private parking tickets / Re: 'Letter of Claim' from DCB legal. Northern Ireland.
« Last post by ahmarsa123 on March 06, 2026, 11:50:34 pm »Hi follows
Thank you very much for your detailed reply.
How likely is it that this goes to court? If it does what does it involve, do I need to travel to court? Hire a lawyer? I'm sorry I'm rather dumb about this.
I can't figure out how to attach a picture here.
Thank you very much for your detailed reply.
How likely is it that this goes to court? If it does what does it involve, do I need to travel to court? Hire a lawyer? I'm sorry I'm rather dumb about this.
I can't figure out how to attach a picture here.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Bus Stop Fine
« Last post by Eskay on March 06, 2026, 11:40:54 pm »Hi
Last May I stopped for ten seconds in a bus stop to drop my Dad off at Gidea Park Stn so he could get the train to visit my Mum in hospital. I had my 5yo son in the car with me. I received a fine (I think £70) and appealed it, hoping they would cut me some slack given the circumstances.
Four months later I received a letter saying the fine had increased from £140 to £210 as I hadn’t replied to the original letter. I called Havering council and they said I had to email, so I did that and got an auto reply saying they were busy and would be in touch, don’t contact us again. A further three months and I received another letter so emailed again, with the same response. Now they are threatening bailiffs and repossession, yet won’t answer emails or the phone. I am willing to pay the original fine, surely they can’t keep increasing it without responding to any of my correspondence?
Last May I stopped for ten seconds in a bus stop to drop my Dad off at Gidea Park Stn so he could get the train to visit my Mum in hospital. I had my 5yo son in the car with me. I received a fine (I think £70) and appealed it, hoping they would cut me some slack given the circumstances.
Four months later I received a letter saying the fine had increased from £140 to £210 as I hadn’t replied to the original letter. I called Havering council and they said I had to email, so I did that and got an auto reply saying they were busy and would be in touch, don’t contact us again. A further three months and I received another letter so emailed again, with the same response. Now they are threatening bailiffs and repossession, yet won’t answer emails or the phone. I am willing to pay the original fine, surely they can’t keep increasing it without responding to any of my correspondence?
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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: TfL fine for travelling without a Zip (Oyster) card
« Last post by roythebus on March 06, 2026, 11:20:35 pm »Thanks for that link NJ. I'm only usually at the sharp end of such matters on buses!
I'd suggest the revenue inspectors are a bit off-ish as they've seen and heard it all before. I've also been watching too many editions of "fare evaders" on TV just lately!
I'd suggest the revenue inspectors are a bit off-ish as they've seen and heard it all before. I've also been watching too many editions of "fare evaders" on TV just lately!
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Private parking tickets / Re: Notice to Keeper, I park services ltd
« Last post by Viking88 on March 06, 2026, 11:08:14 pm »I can imagine not. Hopefully armed with the aid of the good people of this site 🤞🏻
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Private parking tickets / Re: Notice to Keeper, I park services ltd
« Last post by DWMB2 on March 06, 2026, 11:04:19 pm »The response will very likely be a rejection. They're not in the business of accepting appeals.