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@H C Andersen
Thanks for this. Do you know the best contact email address for Redbridge? They sent the evidence pack by post.
parkingandtrafficenforcement@redbridge.gov.uk

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Yes just read it. They have removed all the plates now which is a strong point.
  Not round the corner from me they haven't.  And on some of these signs, the blue matching tape/film which was used to cover up "term-time only" has mysteriously disappeared, exposing and displaying the phrase once again.


I've just skimmed the Evidence Pack and (unless I've missed it), whilst LBR rely upon and refer to it explicitly in the 1st paragraph on pg6, the TMO itself makes no reference to the term "Term-Time only" or its related sign.  Why the sign then? As it only leads to confusion as term-time is not 24/7, 365 days of the year, which the TMO implies.

The TMO also makes numerous reference to Column 5 of the Schedule.....which doesn't exist??

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The Flame Pit / Re: Where/when does a "no u-turn" sign become effective?
« on: November 27, 2025, 08:14:29 pm »
On a stretch of road a traffic order will specify the length of the restriction from and to specified kerb measurements, and the start and end signs should be located at these points.
What if the first 'no u-turn' sign that you see is in the middle of the stretch of road governed by the TMO?  Is the TMO effective prior to the sign?

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Representations made online today. As suggested, I used Hippocrates 'missing information' argument. I await the inevetible rejection by Rebridge.
Keep us posted.

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Salutations to all from me.

and "When it rains...it pours!!!" springs to mind.

Have received another PCN, this time for the above-mentioned alleged contravention.  Details are:

PCN

CCTV footage

GSV


Will be submitting initial reps along the following lines:

1) using @Hippocrates argument of missing mandatory language pertaining to "...Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of...."
2) tree foliage on the nearside along with height of the signs did not give a clear and unrestricted view of the said signs;
3) no advance warning signs with the enforced times, just the following (see pic).  Is this a valid [regulatory] argument?

Can't use the "Term-time only" get-out clause anymore as most (not all!!) have been taped over.

Thoughts/opinions please before I shoot it off to Redbridge council.

Regards - NTIAEP

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True…and fair enough. But then again, we are talking about Redbridge and I have successfully used the later reps on a prior occasion to have the PCN cancelled, rather than having to go to tribunal.

Cheers.

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Afternoon All

Shall not beat around the bush....

FYI:

PCN

CCTV footage

GSV

Reps (already submitted)

Let's see how Redbridge council respond.  If its a [img width=22.98828125 height=22.98828125]https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji107.png[/img] then off to tribunal.....again!

Thoughts/opinions welcome in the interim.


Regards - NTIAEP

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Shouldn't need to rely upon the missing mandatory language as mentioned by @Hippocrates in the post above.  Will leave that arrow in our quiver for another Redbridge PCN (School Streets) that I've received and will start a new thread accordingly.

From the council's own CCTV footage, at the point of entry the car ahead was  here with the feasible assumption that its rear was where there is a change in texture/colour of the road surface (you can see a line in the image).  FYI - there's also a white arrow marking spray-painted on the kerb.

....and so I plodded off to the site of the alleged contravention and took the following pics:

picture of full measuring tape ,

surface change at 353cm and

white arrow at 369cm

The official measurements from Toyota for this vehicle (see page 18) shows a wheelbase of 251cm with a front overhang of 81cm. A combined total of 332cm and more than enough space to have cleared the other side of the YJB.


Why oh why oh why? !!!!

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UPDATE: PCN cancelled by Redbridge council.....and rightly so!!
I enquired as to why it was cancelled.  The response was, "The footage was reviewed by an officer and as the licenced driver made a stop for a drop off the notice was cancelled."

Make of it what you will.

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UPDATE: PCN cancelled by Redbridge council.....and rightly so!!

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Not that it helps much but location is junction of High Rd and Eastwood Rd (IG3)

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So as mentioned above:
- received initial PCN via post dated 15/09/25;
- couldn't submit reps online due to technical issues at LBR's end;
- sent an email with reps which was acknowledged and advised that it was added to the queue and to be reviewed;
- subsequently received EXACTLY the same PCN again via post but dated 15/10/25 (here)

Have since:
- sent a follow up email to LBR on 22/10/25 asking why the 2nd PCN, but as yet no response;
- just checked LBR parking online; payment is £160 and can't make any reps.

Your thoughts?
- follow up on my email sent on 22/10/25 and politely ask them WTF is going on?
- hold fire and let them make an even more of a mess?

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@MrChips If I may borrow your measure tape please.  :)

Redbridge (as expected) have rejected my reps (click here)


Off to tribunal again.....shall I just submit the same reps (see initial post) or anybody suggest amendments/additions?

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a similar case - no idea of the outcome as that OP hasn't provided an update:

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/penalty-charge-notice-for-u-turn/

Is anybody able to locate the TMO for this on LBR's website?

and to repeat my question from the above-mentioned thread, albeit worded slighted differently.....does there have to be a direct/explicit relationship between a sign and its corresponding TMO? i.e. if the OP executes the u-turn prior to the sign, is it enforceable?




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@Incandescent
Thanks for the response and your efforts.  Think the odds would be against me at tribunal so will have to chalk this one down as another lesson learnt (or not?).

Regards - NTIAEP

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