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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
« on: January 13, 2025, 01:54:45 pm »
UPDATE:

THey have cancelled the PCN from my informal email..
I just received it when about to appeal :)

Still this road restriction is going to cause a lot of chaos..

I hope a few people go to court on this and get it lifted

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
« on: January 13, 2025, 01:44:39 pm »
I sent an informal letter but havent heard back yet so Im going to make the first appeal with the usual process.
Could you help me draft it on the grounds of their being poor signage on a fast road and no way to turn back around?

Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
« on: January 07, 2025, 12:11:05 pm »
Correct I have drove down this road many times.

Attempting to reverse and turn out of that road would be extremely dangerous and is a very good point.

I have informally emailled them asking for a warning instead but otherwise will mention the non existent warnings and the inadequate signage at entrance

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Rivercourt road 52M
« on: January 06, 2025, 04:42:02 pm »
Seems this same area is getting a lot of traction:

Same in this thread:
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-hammersith-london-rivercourt-rd/

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN Rivercourt road 52M
« on: January 06, 2025, 04:36:41 pm »
Turned left off a 40mph Busy A road which ive used for years
Turns out there is now a tiny sign there AFTER the turn saying you cant unless you have a resident permit!

What is happening to our roads these days! :'(  >:(

Images of PCN:





Coordinates of turn - Google Not updated with latest sign post: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4913991,-0.2365586,3a,75y,95.37h,83.83t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9upYEORyBaITDvU1DLs9iQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.174312605000438%26panoid%3D9upYEORyBaITDvU1DLs9iQ%26yaw%3D95.36975487709302!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

My reason to appeal would be insufficient signage but im not sure how to word it or add anything else.
I am willing to go to court for this as the restriction is ridiculous and the signage even worse.


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: December 03, 2024, 09:44:36 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on December 03, 2024, 07:36:30 pm
I think the issue here is an adjudicator would go along with the parked in marked signs in the area if the council got its act together with its evidence pack.

But this could be trumped with finding out that they haven't designated specific bays only as footway exemptions from the resolution.

Is what I think Mr Anderson is saying. 

As you are only at the first stage I think you should have a go.

Having a go and losing costs an extra $55!

Sadly

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: December 02, 2024, 06:30:36 pm »
In my opinion this is a big violaton of clear signage but I havent heard anyone say I have a clear case here so I will give it 1 more day before I pay.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: December 02, 2024, 06:25:22 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on December 02, 2024, 02:34:47 pm
If the OP sends the FoI then we won't have to guess which sign, where and its meaning.

The 'except in marked bays' refers to:

4)A highway authority may by resolution, .....authorise the parking of vehicles[F7—

(a)]on, or on... part of a road] which is a highway other than a carriageway[F9; ..

..and notwithstanding the provisions of this section or of any other enactment or any rule of law...
....it shall be lawful from the specified date for any person to park a vehicle on the [F10road or footpath], or on the part thereof, as the case may be, to which the said resolution or notice relates and is for the time being in force.

A resolution does not have to be blanket, it could specify exact lengths and widths and mark appropriately.

I have known some which have tried to dodge this issue and purport to disapply wherever markings are placed but IMO this is improper, the council should resolve detail not simply the principle and then leave to officers to decide when, where and by how much.

Which should make the OP realise that they need to discover the detail.

I unfortunately havent time to deal with this now as I have season holidays and I wont be around for the PCN deadlines.
Maybe the FOI would provide an argument but because of the gamble in appealing it looks like I will just have to pay the fine.


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: December 01, 2024, 08:24:23 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on November 30, 2024, 06:38:39 pm
Their website is pants. Why? No grounds. Let's play Scrabble instead:

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I am seriously vexed by this council's incompetence and attitude.

Wow - well my success rate even with your help is about 65% so Im not sure I would risk an appeal now unless I was given a good argument.

This is disgraceful of them.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: December 01, 2024, 08:21:52 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on December 01, 2024, 01:55:07 pm
OP, I don't know where you're going with this at the moment.

IMO, you won't get them to cancel whatever arguments you put forward. What your reps will do os to draw their reasoning after which you could put more a detailed argument in formal reps.

I thought I could park with two wheels on the footway as other motorists can be seen to be doing in the CEO's photos. There are some historical markings along the road but these are widely ignored by both motorists and CEOs.

Did you submit the FoI request to the council, not parking?

I didnt - what would that achieve?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: November 30, 2024, 02:01:50 pm »
Quote from: H C Andersen on November 25, 2024, 04:59:44 pm
Have you sent the FoI request?

Have you seen footway parking signs in the area?




So i see this TINY sign at the beginining of a road BEFORE Oates road that I parked on. Surely this is insufficient signage considern I parked about 300 metres away from it with no other visible signs.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: November 30, 2024, 01:59:03 pm »
Quote from: disgruntchelt on November 25, 2024, 06:09:32 pm
using Google street view I can see the pavement parking sign on Charlotte gardens (near 146) saying in marked bays only

I think that sign will apply to Oates Road.


https://havering.traffweb.app/traffweb/1/TrafficOrders

Here i see it allows 2 wheel parking. I didnt see any sign NEAR where I was parking stating I had to be exactly within the lines.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Havering PCN Parked on Footpath
« on: November 30, 2024, 01:56:09 pm »
Was there a resolution to this?>

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: November 30, 2024, 01:55:39 pm »
THIS WAS A SIMILAR CASE https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-pcn-parked-on-footpath/
From @cp8759:::::
Of course this should not be raised at this stage as we don't want to alert the council as to the evidential deficiencies in its case. For now a simple representation will do:

Dear London Borough of Havering,

I contend that on this occasion no contravention occurred, if you seek to pursue this penalty charge notice please would you provide a copy of the footway parking resolution duly made under section 15(4) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974. Without sight of the resolution, I have no way of knowing whether I was actually in contravention or not.

Yours faithfully,

Make the representation online and get a screenshot of the confirmation screen, in the meantime I'll use other means to get a copy of the resolution (assuming it even exists).


Seems like they allow parking but only within lines but theres nowhere stating this so it makes it very confusing for motorists.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parked on Pavement (with pavement parking markings)
« on: November 30, 2024, 01:38:18 pm »

I mean this is a sunday morning with no visible parking signs and i park in the spot but a bit out of the lines.

Ive seen plenty of cars park out of lines without gettingntickets - so from a purely common sense pov it seems ridiculous.

I only moved car further in as there was a car opposite me and ive been swiped twice in the last few months so wanted to park safely  >:(


So what should my argument be?


Please help.
Thankyou

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