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Gather as much as you can and ensure you are in plentry of time.

Useful information would probably be:-

- Screen shot of VSA showing NOx,
- Copy of the part of charging order which states the all other vehicle clause and your description that your vehicle is covered by this
- Your V5c
- Screenshot showing ULEZ compliance
- CoC if arrived

You also need to do as much as you can to show that the supporting documentation matches your model.

The CoC when it comes will not be specific to your actual car unfortunately (it will show a type, not a vin).

Good luck. If they reject there is a tribunal available.

Don't use links. Embed screenshots or photos.

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Streetlights in the village ?

Yes, it's a 30 and there should not be repeaters.

No, a 30 limit started at the terminal signs and ends at another terminal sign. But repeaters (small ones generally affixed to telegraph poles) are required.

There is a slim chance that the limit may not be adequately conveyed.

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I am not saying pay it, but ...

I understand your point about continuous charging. Given the primary purpose is parking and charging is secondary having to move it after seems unreasonable. (But tying up a scarce resourse all day does too, so there is a balance).

It seems reasonable to at least expect you to start charging on arrival with the contents of the sign. Why didn't you.

Your account suggests you were running late, paid for an hour, and were going to charge for 35mins on return. Seems a little odd.

At tribunal on those facts it seems slim.

But, if you make reps against the NTO you should get the discount reoffered.

But is the V5C in your name ? If it's a company car or a PCP/h you are likely going to get an admin charge. You should get it back if you eventually win, but typically that charge will be around £30.

CP has requested the order, there is a chance that it doesn't mandate charging. That's a winner. But thats not a particularly high chance.

If the V5 is in your name I would wait for the NTO and make a representation. That may give enough time for the order to come back.

If not I would be giving serious consideration to paying the 35 now to avoid an admin charge as well.

There are a couple of inaccuracies in the response. They state your vehicle had finished charging. Did you state that it hadn't started. (Possible failure to consider).

Same with the suggestion that it was magically the wrong "type" of vehicle because it wasn't plugged in (that would he a different contravention).

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Quote
1.—(1) A vehicle meets the standards set out in Tables 1 and 2 if—
(a) the vehicle is certified by the appropriate national approval authority as having been manufactured
to satisfy the EC emissions standard specified for that vehicle in column (e) of the Table;
(b) the vehicle has been retrofitted so that the limit values for the emission of NOx specified for the
vehicle in column (f) would not be exceeded during the appropriate test or tests specified in
column (g) of the Table; or
(c) in respect of all other vehicles, the Central Clean Air Zone Service is satisfied that the limit values
for the emission of NOx specified for the vehicle in column (f) would not be exceeded during the
appropriate test or tests specified in column (g) of the Table.

It surely passes under (c). The VCA state the NOx level on their database and it is well under 80mg. Surely this should satisfy that the limit would not be breached if a "Type I" test (whatever that is) were undertaken.

I assume the NOx is not listed on the V5c, but a print out of the appropriate VCA page for the exact variant

https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx

Showing Euro 3 and NOx specified as approx 34mg may help in an appeal.

Being Birmingham and no discount reoffered they may well simply be "computer says no" but personally I think I would much rather pay full fines at tribunal rather than half price.

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The wording of the order may he problematic (and unjust).

Quote
Compliant vehicles
4. A vehicle is a compliant vehicle if—
(a) the vehicle meets the standards required of a compliant vehicle for the purposes of this Scheme;
and
(b) particulars of the vehicle are for the time being entered in the national register.

It fails (b). But charging solely on that basis would be unfair.

Quote
EMISSIONS STANDARDS FOR COMPLIANT VEHICLES
1.—(1) A vehicle meets the standards set out in Tables 1 and 2 if—
(a) the vehicle is certified by the appropriate national approval authority as having been manufactured
to satisfy the EC emissions standard specified for that vehicle in column (e) of the Table;

This could be a problem.

Although the levels meet Euro 4 the emissions data as certified by the VCA - who I believe are the approval authority - state it as Euro 3. This could be an issue.

Even if the manufacturer CoC states it was manufactured to Euro 4 it may not be plain sailing.

It would be an absurd result that it was chargable to CAZ but not ULEZ but differences in the wording could make that so.





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I don't think the article made it entirely clear it is a subset of redroute penalties that it applies to.

I understand there is a JR of the decision in progress and you are encouraging individuals to join.

But what then ?

If TFL loses is it then binding (pending further appeal)?

This will presumably mean job ads for more CEOs and TFL lobbying for a law change to enable CCTV enforcement.

It would be frustrating if they obtained that wish and CCTV enforcement restarted. Possibly nationwide.

It would presumably also mean all previous PCNs would be void, but would that force TFL to refund them all or would it be "on demand".

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cpz
« on: July 31, 2023, 08:28:23 pm »
You might want to redact your name and address.

413
The Flame Pit / Re: Red route panel review
« on: July 22, 2023, 10:32:10 pm »
Yes.

I understand the view put forward by the away team. But I don't agree with it

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The Flame Pit / Re: Red route panel review
« on: July 22, 2023, 04:58:33 pm »
It doesn't seem absurd to me that a contravention in a bay on a red route cannot be enforced via CCTV.

That is the situation everywhere else and that interpretation gives consistency across all of London (and indeed the country).

A worry would be that if the position changes that becomes one less hurdle towards enforcing other contraventions by CCTV.


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The top sign says 6 - 10:30pm. Do you think that is clear enough that it means "6pm' or could I argue someone can assume it means 6am?

It's fairly common to only use am/pm on the start time when it differs from the end time.

But, so what if it was interpreted as AM ?

That wouldn't have made any difference.

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