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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
« on: March 05, 2025, 05:33:46 pm »
You're all going to tell me I've the lost the plot, and am wasting my time, but in attempting to convince the owner of the vehicle that I am doing everything I can to deal with these fake notices, I've written a rather lengthy complaint to the PPC.

I'd appreciate if someone could give it a once over to check I'm not likely to create any new problems for myself.

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
« on: March 04, 2025, 02:38:11 pm »
Quote from: jfollows on March 04, 2025, 02:13:18 pm
Quote from: G6PRK on March 04, 2025, 01:01:58 pm
Okay - thanks.

If they never follow through on any type notice, it begs the question why does anyone bother paying for parking in the first place!  ;D
A significant percentage of people just pay up because they’re intimidated or can’t be bothered, APCOA and the rest know this, how much does it cost to send a letter for which they get £100 in return?
This is the economics of private car parking.
Some companies actually bother to go further, but there are diminishing returns in this for them.
If you know who does or doesn’t, then - as you say - don’t bother paying. Until they change their policy.

I more meant for the original parking! If they don't bother to enforce it in a remotely legal way, what's the point in paying at all - let alone for the nonsense notice. I suppose maybe the actual landowner would take steps eventually if someone really took the ****.



Quote from: b789 on March 04, 2025, 01:09:31 pm
Tell them to show who the “owner” is by referencing the details from the official “Register of UK Vehicle Owners”.

Have a look at the front of any V5C document and tell us what it says very clearly on the front, in bold white, capital letters about ownership.

Touché! Presumably they have gotten the details from DVLA by requesting 'keeper' details rather than owner? Making their premise that they can only pursue the owner even more farcical?

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
« on: March 04, 2025, 01:01:58 pm »
Okay - thanks.

If they never follow through on any type notice, it begs the question why does anyone bother paying for parking in the first place!  ;D

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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
« on: March 04, 2025, 09:36:31 am »
Quote from: b789 on March 04, 2025, 01:04:42 am
I really can’t be bothered reading all that swill from “Holly”. I don’t know why you are wasting your time.

Just ignore everything. They cannot do anything. If it were a real Penalty Notice, they could only recover it through the magistrates court. As they are pretending (unlawfully) that it is a Penalty Notice, they cannot recover it as a civil contractual matter through the county courts.

Just ignore any further correspondence from them. If they try to issue a claim through the county courts, it would be thrown out.

Hey - thanks for the reply.

As I mentioned in amongst the rambling in my original post - I completely understand and agree with this perspective based on reading many posts by yourself and others on this topic. 

The issue I have is that they are refusing to transfer 'liability' for one of the notices, and now saying the others shouldn't have been transferred.

As such, I imagine they will continue to pursue the owner of the car for at least the one, if not also the other two. I can and will ignore - but if my friend's employer decides it's not worth the bother and pay, they will likely seek to recover the costs from my friend (and therefore me)

I'm trying to get ahead of the situation in any way I can - other than to tell them not to pay as I obviously already have done.

Thanks

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Private parking tickets / APCOA - No Valid Payment - Railway Byelaws Bedford Station
« on: March 03, 2025, 06:49:19 pm »
Hi all,

I appreciate that most of this has been covered already, and I’ve read everything I can find, but I have some questions due to a specific nuance in my situation.

Until recently, I was the ‘keeper’ of a car under a friends and family scheme through my friend’s employer. However, I was not the official keeper on the V5C—this was my friends employer, herein known as 'the owner company'.

APCOA has issued four tickets for ‘Use of a private car park without making a valid payment’ at Bedford Train Station, relying on Railway Byelaws:

• Notice 1: Never received—only the follow-up threat letter. The owner company has challenged it.
• Notices 2 & 3: Received by the owner company, who named me as the responsible party. APCOA then reissued them to me. I appealed [Image 0 Below] but haven’t received a response yet.
• Notice 4: Received by the owner company [Image 1 Below], who again named me as the responsible party. However, this time, APCOA stated they could not reissue it [Image 2 Below].

In all 4 cases, payment had been made on behalf of the driver at the 'at' time stated on the notices, but it's possible that payment wasn't made at the correct 'start time' - not mentioned in the notices.

This afternoon I've had two interesting conversations with APCOA on their live chat [Images 3 & 4 Below]. They're now saying (amongst other things) that Notices 2 & 3 should never have been re-issued to me.

Basically, I'm looking for some advice on how to proceed. If these had been issued directly to me I would simply follow the common wisdom to ignore, but I'm concerned that the owner company will potentially pressure me to pay, or pay and expect me to reimburse. I'd be half inclined to do so in order to make life easy for myself and my friend, but I really can't bear to give these companies money.

Image 0 (My Appeal)



Image 1 (PN)





Image 2 (Response from APCOA RE Notice 4)



Image 3 (First Live Chat Conversation)







Image 4 (Second Live Chat Conversation)






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