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@stamfordman
Why isn't this a continuous contravention. The Vespa didn't move from where it was parked, or did it?

My reason for hiding details is to my first point - if it wasn't listed on the website for me to view photos or even to pay after the 12 hours stated (and still after 36) does that invalidate the PCN anyway?

Should I be inputting the PCN on the website to check if it has now shown up, or would that then invalidate any claim that on that point?

I tried to insert the image, but it didn't work, here is a link if not:

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https://imgur.com/a/OZb21b7

The PCN is useless, you've redacted far too much detail.

Please have a read of the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of the forum. And then repost the PCN with no redactions. Leave everything visible.

Rather than posting transcripts its better to post images, photos or scans, of documents. Just cover or otherwise redact your name and address. Please leave everything else visible.

Details on posting images can be found in the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** sticky post at the top of this forum.

There's a handy forum guide for your circumstances. See here.

Thanks ever so much - I am new and struggling to navigate slightly. Where are the sticky thread instructions?

I could also provide clear evidence I was coming from Havil Street as have nursery documents which show pick up times.

Please see my reply #1 above. There's a link in the text to the sticky post.

Please post up a Google Street View link.

So father parked on a single yellow during the proscribed hours and displayed a Blue Badge.
What time did he park at?
Do you know if there were any yellow dashes on the kerb?

Yellow dashes would indicate a loading restriction applied.

Another, unrelated private parking entry. It's dated later and matches up with a different matter.

OK but when was the request made to the DVLA?

Have you registered an appeal with the TPT yet?

01/09/2025 = Mon = Date of issue of Notice of Rejection
03/09/2025 = Wed = Deemed date of service of NoR and day 1 of 28 day relevant period
30/09/2025 = Tues = Day 28 of 28 relevant period and last day to pay at discount (as per NoR) or to submit an appeal to the TPT.

If not, I wouldn't hang about. Get the appeal registered and put "further evidence to follow" in the appropriate box. Make sure you ask for a telephone hearing. Not a hearing on the papers. You can always change your mind.

The DVLA log shows that the request (VQ4) was received on the 21st July 2025 and the result (VQ5) was provided the next working day, ie the 22nd July 2025 . So well outside the 28 days provided to issue and serve a PCN.

There is nothing in the DVLA record to support requests having being made on the 3rd June 2025 or at any time before the 21st July 2025. Or that the DVLA failed to respond to any such request.

The V5c registration document for the car was last updated on the 11th August 2024, so the DVLA held the registered keeper's name and address well before the 26th May 2025, the date of the alleged contravention.

The DVLA is the statutory holder and guardian of the data requested, I would suggest that the DVLA's record of enquiries is definitive. The authority might well have intended to request the registered keepers details on the 3rd June however the VQ4 was clearly not actually received by the DVLA. This further suggests a computer or electronic communication failure at the enforcement authorities end.

In any event, even assuming that a request (VQ4) was ever successfully submitted, which is not supported by the facts, to the DVLA on June 3rd 2025 there has been an unreasonable delay with follow-up by the enforcement authority when the expected response failed to arrive. The authority would know very well that a reply should be received the next working day. The authority should have followed up with the DVLA when the response (VQ5) failed to arrive. Waiting until the 27th July 2025 is plainly unreasonable and unjust.

A reasonable person would expect that the authority has routine audit programs running on it's computer systems designed to detect and capture failed transactions and procedures in place to rectify identified cases within the statutory timeframes.

ah it does agree with the V5C. an I (i) replaced with an L (l) I suppose the dealer couldn't read my handwriting. I didn't even notice this till now either

I don't expect the misspelling will help then. The Adjudicator will say it's done to your negligence in not checking the V5c when you first got it.

On the subject of the V5c, what's the docref date? It's down at the bottom of the details page

01/09/2025 = Mon = Date of issue of Notice of Rejection
03/09/2025 = Wed = Deemed date of service of NoR and day 1 of 28 day relevant period
30/09/2025 = Tues = Day 28 of 28 relevant period and last day to pay at discount (as per NoR) or to submit an appeal to the TPT
01/10/2025 = Wed = 1st possible day to issue a Charge Certificate.

The offer to accept the discount rate for 28 days is unusual. Normally it would be 14. So what payment is required online right now? Actually I checked myself and it's £70 which is incorrect with reference to the NoR, should still be £35. Please take a time-stamped screenshot.

Personally I would register an appeal with the TPT, put detailed submission to follow in the summary evidence box. And request a telephone hearing rather than a decision on the papers.

So we have a PCN served out of time and no explanation. And an incorrect demand for money on the Council website

Please send the SAR to the DVLA and post up the response.