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Sorry realised my original post made no sense

MY PCN

This does not state what it falls under but I assume it is for 'moving'. The contravention on my PCN states:failure to comply..no entry for vehicles)

TRIBUNAL CRITERIA

Parking Contravention

"did not occur .... no proper signage"

OR

Moving Contravention "

(There was) "no failure to comply with a traffic sign"

I guess this is me essentially saying I did comply with the traffic sign under the moving contravention when technically I didn't if I entered the road, I file under a moving contravention.

 But looks like to have wider scope I need to file under parking contravention to state that there was no proper signage. Even though by my deduction it is a moving contravention.

Could I also state on the online and paper PCN there is no other mention of the type of contravention  (than what I mentioned above), so I selected the criteria (and wording) that fit the reasons I was trying to appeal. Or will they throw it out if I select parking?

Hope that is clearer sorry for all my muddled thoughts.




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Well I can prive that signage was not there at the time so the onus is on them to prove the date as that was put there after I drove there.

Liability has been transfered to me after 6 months (out of time frame) but they still accepted and rejected my appeal when it wasn't. But as it doesn't state I assume I appeal under moving 

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Sorry ignore the ask about ownership as it was another grounds for appeal but looks like it isn't relevant and I wasn't leasing.

 So guess just asking to select the correct contravention as it seems like moving. In that case my appeal may be automatically rejected given what the criteria is

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Sorry I meant the same contravention only states the above the wording is very different

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Afternoon just sendinh my appeal online didn't realise there were restrictions or criteria in which you can appeal. I assume this is for moving (contravention:failure to comply for vehicles)

If so this restricts me slighty. Contravention did not occur for parking appeal mentions no proper signage. Same contravention only mentions no failure to comply with a traffic sign. Dont want to fall at the first hurdle. Do I also add I was not the owner?

Thanks

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Thank you both for tge replies, really helpful.

That signage was definately not there when I drove down, no advanced warning at all.

Hopefully they do give in. Will get a taxi in the future lol

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https://imgpile.com/p/lP1Kw1t

This is what enterprise sent,reading now I can see that they said wait for it to be transferred. But if that is the case how could I appeal the previous one with the same document?

So annoying

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;D thanks incandescent. The signs are a lie they were never there when I drove down the road unless I am temporarily blind.

They've screwed themselves anyway, they cancelled a charge for the same thing for the same reasons now they've changed their mind. They may aswell close the road. If I moved there it is expected if you live near a motorway it's a road.

My defence will be previously cancelled

Then changed the rules transferring the PCN to name me when they didn't previously and changing their mind again when challenged.

My original defence.

And getting them to prove the signs were there when the PCN was issued there was no prior warning.

Apparently you can get prior permission from residents or buisnesses (I was dropping back to Enterprise) so will state that too.

Is it going to cost or is it tricky going to tribunal?

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We need to see the PCN addressed to Enterprise which was forwarded by them AND any covering correspondence; your PCN; your reps and their NOR.

Leave in everything except addressee details.

From what you've said your PCN is probably timed-out, but only you showing us the notices would help us to determine this.

Possible scenario:
Enterprise receive their PCN; they send this to you along with a copy of a so-called Third Party Authorisation; you write to the council(thinking you're doing this on your behalf, but in reality simply as Enterprise's nominated Third Party); you did not receive a response(but as you weren't entitled to one, that's not surprising); and then.....

Council disregard your(Enterprise's) submission in total;
They consider your submission and reply to Enterprise.

But then Enterprise are still on the hook!

The possibilities spin off in too many directions... YOU MUST post the docs pl.

Thanks Tincome

Please let me know if this is visible then I will post everything else

https://imgpile.com/p/lP1Kw1t

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Just double checked, H&F automatically cancelled the PCN in Feb 26 after my appeal for RRoad. This new PCN is for the same road but in Jan 26. Strangely they did nothing with the first appeal but cancelled the latter PCN?

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Yes Enterprise sent me the PCN initially

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Thanks for the reply. Yes it is for entering a road with no motor vehicles.  I had the last PCN cancelled when enterprise sent me the letter and I appealed using only that nothing was in my name.

They have now changed their mind and asked me to go to tribunal. Is there another app like imigur that I can use to upload?

The motorway signs in the picture were not there when I drove, but looks like there is no other appeal apart from tribunal

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Afternoon all,

I succesfully appealed a PCN when coming off the motorway into RRoad and it was cancelled. Stupidly I made the same  mistake but didn't realise until I was too late.I challenged this in Jan 26 as Enterprise sent the notice and had no response. I sent follow up emails a few months ago and nothing. A week ago I received the PCN which is now in my name. They have told me I need to appeal again as I wasn't the registered keeper so I couldn't appeal (rental) and now enterprise have transferred liability and I am now the keeper.

I have responded and told them I can appeal without being named the keeper and my previous challenge was successful. They already have the information so I will not resubmit as I sent this 6 months ago and the info is the same.

I don't think I am going crazy but this is a new one.

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