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When the case management judge reads the defence they will either order the claimant to provide detailed PoC or strike the claim out. If they don't, they will order a trial date. At some point just before the claimant has to pay the trial fee, they will discontinue.

Thank you.

Would correspondence be via post and do you have any idea how long they might take before we hear anything? Just that I'm paranoid about not chasing it up at the right time if any of their letters don't arrive.

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Get the phone sorted. Your wife will have to e the person that takes the call. It is nothing to worry about. I tis not a trial and there are no lawyers or judges involved. It's just a person who has had a days training in mediation. The only requirement is ti "attend" the call.

Your wife says she is only prepared to offer £0 and it will all be over in less than 5 minutes.

The call was "attended" and that's the end of the matter. It has no bearing whatsoever on the proceedings as the progress.

Hi,

So my partner attended the phone meeting 2 weeks ago. She said she wouldn't offer to pay anything.

Do you know what happens next and when we should hear back?

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In which case, there is nothing to do. They have up to 6 years from the event to issue a claim for the alleged debt. So, if you move before those 6 years are up, tell the DPO of the company to rectify their data with the new address and to erase the old address.

What's the DPO?

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are their additional charges or points?

No additional points. Six is the only number that can be imposed for the offence. The court does have the power to order your disqualification for any period they see fit, but this is very unlikely.

But there are considerably increased financial penalties. If convicted you will pay fine of half a week's net income, a "Victim Surcharge" of 40% of that fine and prosecution costs of around £650. If your weekly income if £500 it will cost you £1,000.

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Also, what happens to lying officer if you prove you weren't doing what they accuse you of?
If you adopt the approach that the officer is lying you will received short shrift. The best you can suggest is that he was mistaken.
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Wait so in the case of someone earning £800 per week, are you saying their fine would be:

£400 (50% of earnings) + £80 (40% of original fine) + £650?

I wouldn't in a court of law say the Policeman lied (although they frequently do).




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See post by AGTLAW (a well respected motoring lawyer) on Pistonheads where he says

The offence is made out when driving and holding a phone in your hand and using that phone.

- all three elements necessary.
The law actually says nothing about holding it in your hand; it defines what a hand-held device is and goes on to say that you mustn't use one whilst driving.

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Can I request what evidence they think they have?

Only if you do not take up the fixed penalty offer.  You will then be prosecuted in court and before you enter your plea you should be provided with the evidence the police will rely on to convict you. This will probably consist of a statement from the officer, saying what he saw you doing.

I think you need to ponder over this question:

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I may have looked down and fumble with my phone for a brief moment to turn of a reminder alarm

As southpaw has already asked, did you or didn't you? If you can't remember, you (and the court) may have to rely on the officer's evidence.

So basically your word against theirs, with theirs being taken as gospel unless you can prove otherwise?

What incentive does a person have not trying their luck contesting? If it falls against you in court, are their additional charges or points?
Also, what happens to lying officer if you prove you weren't doing what they accuse you of?

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Can I request their evidence?

What "letter" have you received? Is it a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP)? A Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP)? Or what?

As for evidence, you can request what you like but it's unlikely you'll get it unless you opt for a court hearing.

I think it's this one: "A Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP)?"

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Not heard anything from them still

 :-\

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Just over 10 days ago while driving my vehicle, I was stopped by a police car and told it was for using a handheld mobile phone.

He didn't share any evidence with me and I'm not sure where exactly he had seen me to be using my phone. I did not admit or deny using the phone and he didn't ask to see my phone either. I got me to confirm my details and sign a digital copy of some sort of declaration which I think was more to do with confirming he stopped me than an admission of any guilt.

Now I never even send/read texts or browse my phone while driving. Calls I take via bluetooth which is hardwired into my vehicle with the relevant buttons on my steering wheel. I may have looked down and fumble with my phone for a brief moment to turn of a reminder alarm that is a huge distracting while driving. Of course It would be silly to not have waited for a safe place to pull over somewhere.

My work is totally dependent on me being able to drive and I fear this one alleged offence will render me uninsurable or unable to pay the inflated insurance costs in the following years which I am told 6 points will certainly inflate.

From the letter, it seems they are tell me I can accept 6 points with a £200 fine, or contest it in court.

I would really appreciate any advice that could help avoid me getting points.

Thank you in advance.

PS, In almost 30 years of driving, I have never cut a red light or gone over the speed limits.

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Ill invest in a wired handset, test it and have her sit by it from 10 minutes before the call :)

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Mediation is now compulsory. Nothing to worry about. It is not a trial and is simply someone with 10 minutes training trying to mediate between the parties. It is only compulsory to attend the phone call. You offer £0 and it is over in less than 5 minutes.

Okay so I just received an email with a date for a mediation telephone call. Only thing that has me worried is the threats in it if you miss the call. Reception at home is awful on our mobile networks so I'll need to get an old corded land phone and update the number with them just in case. It's scheduled just over a month away. By the way, I've been dealing with this on behalf of my wife so I wonder if I should take the call myself or just brief her on what to say (unless it's possible we get someone who wants to delve into things a bit more?)

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Ok so I have done the following:

Emailed: dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk, info@dcblegal.co.uk, myself

Subject: Claim Number: xxxxxx

Body of email:

Bearing in mind the contents of the defence, I would strongly suggest that the judge makes the attached order in support of which I also attach transcripts of two cases which support the proposition that the judge should make the order I suggest.

MCOL states that the claimants DQ was received in 21st August but I have not received a copy of it.

Attachments:
- My completed DQ
- Draft defence order
- PM v Akande transcript
- CEL v Chan transcript

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D1 is "NO". You do not want a hearing 'on the papers'. You want a hearing in person.
Add the following to the text box:

"I am not content for the case to be heard 'on the papers' because that seems to disproportionately give an advantage to a legally represented party. I feel strongly after all the intimidating demands from this aggressive parking firm and its agents, that I need a voice at an attended hearing."

Just send the copy to info@dcblegal.co.uk, dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC yourself.

Ok perfect. I'll do that. SO my other answers were fine. I'll just amend D1 as you outlined :)

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You need to get a move on. You don’t need to “upload” anything. Just download the your DQ from the link, complete it on your computer, sign it by just typing your name in the signature box and then get it sent as a PDF attachment to an email to DQ.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and also the claimants solicitor and also CC in yourself in a single email.

Add in the body of the email that MCOL states that the claimants DQ was received in 21st August but you have not received a copy of it.

In your DQ you do not want a hearing on the papers and just put the following in the text box:

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I am not content for the case to be heard 'on the papers' because that seems to disproportionately give an advantage to a legally represented party. I feel strongly after all the intimidating demands from this aggressive parking firm and its agents, that I need a voice at an attended hearing.

I couldn't find the claimants solicitor email in the papers but I have through a quick google: sarah@dcblegal.co.uk. Reckon I should use this?

Claimants Legal Representative:
Sarah Ensall
DCB Legal LTD, Greenwood Drive
Runcorn
WA7 1UG

About the point  not being content for the case to be heard 'on the papers' is it:

D1 Do you consider that this claim is suitable for determination
without a hearing, such as; by a judge reading and considering the
case papers, witness statements and other documents filed by the
parties, making a decision, and giving a note of reasons for that
decision?

So I should say no to this question a and explain with the statement:

"I am not content for the case to be heard 'on the papers' because that seems to disproportionately give an advantage to a legally represented party. I feel strongly after all the intimidating demands from this aggressive parking firm and its agents, that I need a voice at an attended hearing."

Sorry to be asking for so much clarification

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