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Thankfully they cancelled the ticket. Here is their response:


Re: Parking Charge Number 0051207800 (Vehicle: HY16VXS)

Site: GLL Palmer Park

Issue date: 17/04/2026

We refer to your correspondence regarding the above PC issued to your vehicle. We have investigated your case and have
considered the points that were raised.

We are pleased to confirm that on this occasion your appeal has been upheld and this PC has been cancelled. No further
action is required at this time.

Gemini Parking Solutions fully complies with the guidelines set by the International Parking Community. Please note that
photographic evidence is taken with every PC that is issued.

Yours sincerely,

Appeals Department
Gemini Parking Solutions London Ltd.

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Search the forum for lots of examples.

It also proves that their supposed “checks” before issuing notices are lies, otherwise they wouldn’t happen.

Question,

What checks and balances exist to determ companies from doing this?

Imagine how many people do they smack with this nasty tactic. If there's no oversight on this, why wouldn't they just go on doing it. I'm not convinced it is a system or equipment error. No doubt many people just pay it because they can't remember, can't be bothered or don't have the time to appeal them.

They should be investigated and if found to have many such tickets, they should be made to pay it all back with interest and fines.

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I don't understand?

Are you saying the letter isn't a letter of claim?
Yes

It would say that it was and it would give you 30 days to pay if it were.

Thank you.

Okay we shall ignore till we see something titled letter or claim from them

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Hi,

I have, but I still can't understand what was wrong with the post?
Show us the things you are talking about!
But I note you have posted the PCN, I missed this originally, sorry.

It looks like a typical “double dip” so you need to tell them accordingly, ie their equipment is faulty and their claim is wrong and you won’t be paying.

Bottom line is that if they insist on pursuing you we will advise at each stage, if they don’t see sense.

Apologies, there are too many people here who don’t post relevant information in the way that you did.

Thank you. I hadn't heard of this double dip term before but it describes the scenario I think :)

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I don't understand?

Are you saying the letter isn't a letter of claim?

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Hi,

I have, but I still can't understand what was wrong with the post?

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Good afternoon everyone,

The registered keeper of the vehicle received Link PCN saying the vehicle failed to pay for the duration of stay. They provide images of the vehicle and say the vehicle arrived at 16:03 on 7/4/26 and left at 14:12 on 8/4/26.

The vehicle attended and left the site on the 7th  and again on the 8th. Each time not staying for more than 30 minutes. They have merged the two and claimed the vehicle stayed till the following day.

Please help.

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You can email them back with the following response:

Quote
Subject: Re: PCN [insert reference] – Driver Details Not Required

Dear UKPC Appeals Department,

Thank you for your template fishing attempt.

Your request for the driver’s details is noted and declined. You have already been informed that I am the keeper, and that your Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. As such, you cannot transfer liability from the unidentified driver to me. 

If your staff are unable to understand why your NtK is non‑compliant, I suggest you review Schedule 4 more carefully. Keeper liability is a strict statutory regime: partial or almost compliance is not compliance. You do not get to rely on PoFA unless you meet every requirement, which you have not.

Your continued attempts to obtain the driver’s identity are noted. I will not be assisting you in curing your own statutory defects.

You now have two options:

1. Issue a POPLA code, or 
2. Cancel the PCN and save us both further wasted time.

If you require guidance on my position, you may refer to the response famously given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971).

I look forward to your POPLA code or your confirmation of cancellation.

Yours faithfully,
 
[Name]

Okay so we've received a letter from their  solicitors. Would really appreciate help with next steps or how to respond.

Here is the link Solicitors Letter P1

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Draft something and post here first.

How about this:

Subject: Formal Representation Against PCN [] – Contravention Code 46J

I make representations against the above PCN on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur.

At the time of the alleged contravention, my vehicle was not stopped in contravention of the red route restriction, but was engaged in a continuous manoeuvre.

I had briefly entered an adjacent access road after observing that the driver of the lorry visible in the authority’s footage was preparing to move from his position. After waiting momentarily and deciding not to remain there, I reversed out of the access road with the intention of immediately proceeding westbound along Oxford Road.

The CCTV footage provided by the authority captures only a short sequence (approximately 4 seconds). In this footage, my vehicle is positioned at an angle to the carriageway and is indicating, clearly demonstrating that it was in the process of completing a manoeuvre and rejoining the road, rather than being parked or voluntarily stopped.

At that point, I was prevented from completing the manoeuvre by the approach of the enforcement vehicle, which passed in close proximity and made it unsafe to proceed. Moving forward at that moment would have risked a collision. Any brief pause in movement was therefore entirely due to the presence of traffic and not a voluntary act of stopping.

It is well established that a vehicle is not considered “stopped” for the purposes of a red route contravention where it is prevented from proceeding due to traffic conditions. The authority’s own evidence shows a vehicle in a transitional position during a manoeuvre, temporarily constrained by passing traffic, rather than one that has stopped in contravention of the restriction.

Furthermore, the very short duration of the footage does not demonstrate any continuous stationary period or sufficient dwell time to establish that the vehicle was “stopped” within the meaning of the contravention.

In summary:

* The vehicle was engaged in an active manoeuvre, reversing out and preparing to move off.
* Its angled position and use of indicators confirm this.
* Any momentary pause was caused solely by the presence of the enforcement vehicle and the need to avoid a collision.
* The evidence does not demonstrate that the vehicle was voluntarily stopped.

In light of the above, the alleged contravention is not made out and I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,


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So should I just appeal on this basis?

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That makes more sense of it - you need to explain this in the reps - if you were working for someone there, perhaps you have a job sheet that shows why you were there?

I had quickly pulled in to the access road when I saw the driver of the lorry close the back and walk to his cab (very difficult to find parking around that area). I turned into the access road to allow me to wait safely until he left. After a couple of minutes of waiting for him to move, I decided to not wait any longer; reversed out to allow me to immediately drive ahead for an alternative space. I was obstructed at that moment from driving ahead and that is how the vehicle took the shot.

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Reversed out of the access road to drive ahead in the direction the van was facing.

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Thank you,

How would you suggest I approach it?

Just state I was prevented from completing the manoeuvre? I read that councils always reject appeals in the first instance.

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Hi all,

I’d appreciate some guidance on whether this is worth contesting.

I’ve received a PCN for contravention 46J, supported by CCTV footage and still images. The video is approximately 4 seconds long and shows my vehicle angled out from the side of the road.

At the time, I was in the process of manoeuvring in order to turn across the carriageway. My vehicle was positioned at an angle, not parallel to the kerb, and I was not parked or waiting in the usual sense.

As I began positioning the vehicle to complete the turn, the enforcement vehicle approached and passed very close by. This prevented me from completing the manoeuvre safely at that moment, as proceeding would have risked a collision.

As a result, there was a very brief pause while the enforcement vehicle passed, after which I would have completed the manoeuvre.

The footage only captures a few seconds and does not show any extended stationary period, but rather a vehicle in a transitional position during a manoeuvre.

My understanding is that a vehicle is not considered “stopped” for the purposes of this contravention if it is prevented from proceeding due to traffic conditions.

Grateful for any advice on whether this would be a strong basis to challenge.

PCN on the following link:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/dZxQMDPRpaD9P7Fe8

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