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It's section 6 of the Essex Act 1987 (PMB I've fixed the link in your post above to make it clickable), and this is the relevant part:



Two points arise: the sign needs to be in a conspicuous position (which appears to be a higher standard than the standard of adequacy created by LATOR, conspicuous seems aking to the "bound to be seen" test that applies in private parking cases), and if the land is part of the highway then the sign needs to be a TSRGD compliant sign, which the one seen here most definitely isn't.

So we have plenty to go on, are you the registered keeper and do you have the V5c?

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My understanding of Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions is that every street junction ("entry point") in the CPZ needs to have a CPZ sign with details of restrictions, otherwise signs need to be placed every 60m.
The key issue is that the signage must be adequate. If you'd taken a route into the CPZ that took you past a CPZ sign, you couldn't claim the signage was inadequate just because a route you didn't take didn't have any signs.

However in your case you did take a route that had no signs, so a diligent motorist taking the route that you took would not pass any signs, so the signage is inadequate.

The relevant regulation is here.

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Please read the guidance here on posting images, and then post up all sides of all pages of the PCN.

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Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZttwDhGUJ2k

The problem is that if the signs are there and the council turns up at the tribunal with evidence of that, the appeal would be very weak. Frankly with the distance between the junction and the restriction, it wouldn't be a particularly strong case to begin with.

I can only see the first page of the PCN, can you show us the remaining pages please?

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As long as the address on the V5c is 100% accurate and up to date, you don't need to do anything, just wait. The notice to owner should turn up in the post in a few weeks, post it up on here when this happens.

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Everything I read there seems, essentially, intended to put Mr Murray-Smith "in his place". Is this an unbiased adjudication ? I don't think so. Absolutely nothing was said about being unable to pay to park before the pay-to-park hours commenced; a major omission, surely ?
I don't really agree with that. It very much opens the door for the fact that if highly relevant / contentious evidence is provided by means of a link and it's not considered, that could be a procedural impropriety.

What the decision doesn't show is that the adjudicator asked about the cash option and unfortunately jacoscar said that he doesn't carry cash so even if he'd been aware of that option, he wouldn't have used it anyway. Obviously I cannot coach people on what to say (or not say) when giving evidence.

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The response fails to consider anything you've said, it mentioned non-existent mitigation, and the wrong 28 day period has had a lot of success at the tribunal over the past few weeks.

Would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

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Posting on behalf of my Dad.

He received a PCN for stopping on a red route. My Dad has high blood pressure and diabetes the DVLA is aware. He stopped for barely 1 minute his vision got a bit blurry as he hadn't eaten his blood sugar had dropped so stopped. Unfortunately at the same moment the car with the red route camera was just behind him. Can he will his appeal on medical grounds?
So he tested his blood sugar, what was it?

Presumably the logs from his blood sugar monitor can confirm he stopped for medical reasons, please check if these are available. Even if he can't download them, a simple photo of the blood sugar monitor showing the reading with the time and date would suffice.

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The PCN is out of time, there is no allowance in the law for any sort of pre-debt check.

I am happy to represent you at the tribunal if you want to appeal this.

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Please post up both sides of the original PCN, the one they attached to the car.

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Should I wait for the council to send me the extended video footage, which should show me reversing out of the zone,before I submit a letter of appeal?
There is no extended video footage, the camera records so many frames when an event is detected, nothing else is saved. Here's a better draft:

Dear London Borough of Camden,

I challenge liability on the basis of de-minimis: as the video shows, I realised my mistake and immediately reversed out. I did not therefore gain any advantage over other motorists and no traffic management purpose would be served by enforcing this PCN.

I trust that in the circumstances you will agree to cancel the penalty.

Yours faithfully,

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Definitely include the paybyphone logs, it's the only evidence that shows you haven't made the whole thing up.

However to set your expectations, you will almost certainly have to take this to the tribunal.

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I did notice you stated the PCN was served on 31 October, which I believe was typo. However, I did correct this to the 27 October as per the PCN.
It's not a typo, a PCN issued on 27 October is deemed to be served two working days later, i.e. on 31 October. This is because you don't get it the day they put it in the post (and "served" is not the same as "issued").

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter, but as a general rule if you think something is a typo it's best to ask rather than to make an assumption. We are not infallible by any stretch of the imagination, but we do normally proofread draft wording.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: Help re an eviction notice while abroad
« on: November 01, 2023, 10:01:22 pm »
I cannot find any web pages that suggest that evictions cannot go ahead if there is a minor living in the property.  Anyone who has watched Can't Pay? We'll Take It Away! will recall that several evictions of families with children took place, entirely legally.
While the evictions were lawful, the broadcast was held not to be in Ali & Anor v Channel 5 Broadcast Ltd [2018] EWHC 298 (Ch) as upheld by the Court of Appeal in Ali & Anor v Channel 5 Broadcasting Ltd [2019] EWCA Civ 677.

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Sounds like, to your knowledge, they are wrong about my being able to challenge?
To explain all the ins and outs would take ages, so I'll cut to the chase: you can arguably reclaim the penalty from the lease company, but you have to be willing to take the lease company to court.

In short, you can only challenge a PCN if you don't pay it, payment deprives you of the right to appeal. Where they say "Legislation requires immediate payment by the registered keeper" they're being incompetent and thick: legislation gives the registered keeper 28 days to pay or challenge, they should have challenged by requesting a transfer of liability.

The bottom line is lease and hire companies are incredibly thick and stupid and they won't accept they're wrong unless and until a court tells them, the corollary of this is that unless you're actually willing to take them to court, there's no point in doing anything else. Sending letters threatening to take them to court without following through would be a waste of time.

The question therefore is: are you willing to have a massive row with the lease company and take them to court to enforce your rights?

In parallel, you could contact the council and ask them to refund the payment on the basis that you want to make representations, and on the odd occasion this can work. The problem is that if the council simply ignore you or say no, there is no recourse open to you.

Also as a general rule, involving MPs in PCNs is a waste of time, they're more likely to mess things up than anything else.

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