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We'll have a go and see where it ends up! Is it just a case of copying @Hippocrates post to submit as reps?

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@Hippocrates appreciate the reply whilst on holiday! I might be wrong but I can see options to pay by post on the PCN. Also, I just tried to submit informal reps based on your post above and it says an NTO has been sent...


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Thought so, was clutching at straws as could really do without the extra expense. If you spot anything in the PCN please do let me know!

@mickR - apologies, @stamfordman very kindly shared above for me

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Just received a PCN through the post. My partner was driving at the time, I think she's fairly bang to rights, but just wondered if there's any grounds for appeal here?
Thanks!



Video: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bR_u6BvpDR2oXeudHi7kPsy6_FlW9fzR/view?usp=drivesdk

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@cp8759 did reference some other points earlier in this thread including:

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There is precisely zero evidence of signage, so there's no prima-facie contravention. That being said, I would keep all technical arguments for a much later stage, you have what amounts to reasons beyond your control for not moving the vehicle and that is normally an exemption in the traffic order.

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For later:

The Borough of Thurrock (Stopping, Waiting, Loading and On-street Parking) Order 2017

Notice of variation of charges

I'm not sure how best to include these items in my appeal though, or indeed which bits are actually relevant!

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I believe that the deadline for submitting the appeal is this Thursday

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@Incandescent @cp8759 Would you be add anything additional to those reps? If not then I'll get the Appeal started with that!

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@cp8759 I haven't submitted it yet, currently it is the same as my last reps to the council and includes the letter from The Community House. Any additional input would be greatly appreciated!

Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing with regards to PCN TK03017674. On arriving at the bay I paid for parking until 11.01, I was attending a meeting which was due to last until 10.30 and was conscious that this time allowed for any overrun of the meeting. I left The Community House at 10:55 to make my way back to my vehicle, according to Google Maps the bay in which I was parked was less than 100m from The Community House and therefore there was ample time for me to get back to my vehicle. However, as I was exiting down the steps of the building I slipped and fell, twisting my ankle and injuring my knee. One of the Trustees of The Community House who I had met with came to my assistance and took me back into the building to administer First Aid, including cleaning my knee and strapping my ankle. After First Aid had been administered I made my way back to my vehicle, arriving back to it around 11.18 which was the earliest that I could do given the unexpected delay, injury. My walking was significantly impaired and I had to make my way back to the car unaided. I'm therefore surprised that I managed it by 11.18, in fact only missing your CEO by a matter of a few minutes - I remember the time distinctly because I checked when I found the PCN. I do not know whether these circumstances, which were clearly beyond my control, fit under the grounds of 'contravention did not occur' or 'penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case' but in either case I request that the authority would none the less cancel the PCN. I also attach a letter from The Community House confirming that I attended a meeting there, and that they administered First Aid as a result of me slipping on the steps when leaving the building.

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I'm happy to push on and see how it plays out. Do I need to draft different reps to go to the adjudicator?

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Sorry to bump this, I'm just conscious that I'm running out of time to pay the reduced rate if my chances of success at tribunal aren't very good.
Thanks!

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Received  a rejection to my reps yesterday, any suggestions as to what next? Is it worth following through to tribunal?


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Thanks! Much appreciated, I have submitted reps including your comments below 🤞

The 17th is day 1, not day zero, therefore 13th is the last day of the 28-day period.

As regards your ankle, don't ignore the point because to do so simply invites sceptical readers to read into the unsaid what they like. 

After the events and their letter I suggest something along the lines of...

...My walking was significantly impaired and I had to make my way back to the car unaided. I'm therefore surprised that I managed it by 11.18, in fact only missing your CEO by a matter of a few minutes - I remember the time distinctly because I checked when I found the PCN.

I do not know whether these circumstances, which were clearly beyond my control, fit under the grounds of 'contravention did not occur' or 'penalty exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case' but in either case I request that the authority would none the less cancel the PCN.

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Date of the Notice  and date of posting is 15/1/2024, it says it is considered served on the second working day after the date of posting which means 14th Feb is the latest I can make reps.

I returned to my vehicle unaided, and my ankle was only strapped, it doesn't make it impossible to drive, just wasn't particularly comfortable.

What is the date of issue of the NTO?

At best you have until 14th Feb. to make reps within the 28-day period based on the NTO being issued on 16th Jan.

Also, did you return to the car aided or unaided and how did you drive if your ankle was strapped?

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Would the below be sufficient as reps? Realise I've left it quite late, unfortunately time got away from me completely!

Dear Sir/Madam
I am writing with regards to PCN TK03017674. On arriving at the bay I paid for parking until 11.01, I was attending a meeting which was due to last until 10.30 and was conscious that this time allowed for any overrun of the meeting. I left The Community House at 10:55 to make my way back to my vehicle, according to Google Maps the bay in which I was parked was less than 100m from The Community House and therefore there was ample time for me to get back to my vehicle. However, as I was exiting down the steps of the building I slipped and fell, twisting my ankle and injuring my knee. One of the Trustees of The Community House who I had met with came to my assistance and took me back into the building to administer First Aid, including cleaning my knee and strapping my ankle. After First Aid had been administered I made my way back to my vehicle, arriving back to it around 11.18 which was the earliest that I could do given the unexpected delay, injury.

I also attach a letter from The Community House confirming that I attended a meeting there, and that they administered First Aid as a result of me slipping on the steps when leaving the building.

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NTO has arrived. I'm trying to get an updated letter from the group I met with, but no luck yet. Is there anything specific I should be saying/referencing in my representations?


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