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Agreed, any thoughts on my latest appeal information and whether this is good enough evidence to use for the tribunal appeal? The council acknowledge the road markings have faded which I see it as against the terms of TSRGD.

Also, what can I expect with the tribunals process?

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Hi, so an update on this I appealed it again to the council which they rejected. I now have the option to either pay the full fine or appeal and take it to independent tribunal. I may as well appeal it as I have the chance to pay the full fine if I lose at tribunal but could I get any help or advice with the tribunal process and what to expect?


This is the full appeal letter to the council and their response below it:


Subject: Appeal for Parking Charge Notice – PCN Reference: AF08423360

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to again formally appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) referenced above, issued to me on 19th December 2024 for allegedly parking in a designated disabled parking space without clearly displaying a valid disabled person’s badge.

You mention in your reply in the letter dated 9th January 2025 that “lines on the road become faded from time to time, however they are still enforceable”. However, I contest that assertion as local authorities are legally responsible for ensuring that bays with restrictions must clearly stand out for drivers.

Please see below the evidence for this:

As per the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 1 Introduction (2018)
1.2.1. In the Manual, the word “must” is used to indicate a legal requirement of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (or other legislation) that must be complied with.

As per the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 Regulatory Signs (2019)
13.6.3. The bays must stand out from the surrounding parts of the road and any adjoining bays, so that drivers are clear about where to park and which restrictions, if any, apply.

Therefore, on the above grounds you have failed to clearly indicate to me as a driver that this bay stood out against the adjacent bays on this block. I attach the evidence of the faded road markings at the time of the alleged contravention as well as a copy of registering my car through the Ringo app at the time of the alleged contravention as I had mistaken this bay for a normal parking bay due to the poor conditions of the road markings.

The ground marking of "DISABLED" in the parking bay where I parked was extremely worn and illegible and the space is not distinguishable from the adjacent normal parking bays which you acknowledge yourself in your reply and therefore constitutes a valid reason for the cancellation of the PCN.

Given these circumstances, I kindly request that you review the evidence and take into account the substandard condition of the ground markings when making your decision. I trust you will find that this appeal is justified and that the PCN will be cancelled accordingly.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your prompt response and the cancellation of the charge.















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You're right, thanks Incandescent I missed this. I will appeal again and see how they respond.

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I decided not to pay the penalty and have received the below notice. I plan to make representation and challenge the PCN.

There's no mention of this going to an independent tribunal stage if they reject it. Any ideas what would happen if they reject it?









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Thanks for your advice, I am the registered keeper indeed. I'm happy to take it further, I did beat the council on a YBJ ticket last year with the help of members of this forum (link). Will await further comments.

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That's correct I did use the Ringo app to register my car, parking was free for 1 hour, was a genuine mistake. I recall there was a free parking space a few spots down so if it was made clear that this is a disabled parking space then I certainly would have parked in the other space! You're probably right I should have mentioned in my appeal that I registered the car in Ringo. Do you think it is worth taking the risk of paying the full fine and appealing it further?

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So I appealed this on the basis that markings on the ground are extremely worn so the "DISABLED" marking was illegible which contravenes the requirement for the clear delineation of designated spaces as outlined in the TSRGD and constitutes a valid reason for the cancellation of the PCN.

They have rejected my appeal though - see below. Is this worth appealing further or taking it to tribunal?







This is my full appeal letter:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally appeal the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) referenced above, issued to me on 19th December 2024 for allegedly parking in a designated disabled parking space without clearly displaying a valid disabled person’s badge.

I acknowledge the requirement to display a valid disabled person’s badge when parking in a designated disabled bay. However, I respectfully request that you reconsider this charge for the following reason:

The ground marking of "DISABLED" in the parking bay where I parked is extremely worn and illegible and the space is not distinguishable from the adjacent normal parking bays. The faded markings do not clearly indicate that the space is designated for disabled persons, making it impossible for a driver to reasonably identify the parking restriction in accordance with current regulations. Part 3 of TSRGD 2016 specifically addresses road markings, including markings for disabled parking bays, ensuring that they are clearly defined and distinguishable from regular parking bays. These spaces are typically marked with a wheelchair symbol and the word "DISABLED", with specific dimensions and visibility standards.

The poor condition of the ground markings at the location in question directly led to my misunderstanding of the parking restrictions even though I registered my parked vehicle through the Ringo app. I was unable to clearly identify that the space was a disabled parking bay, as the "DISABLED" marking was illegible. This situation contravenes the requirement for the clear delineation of designated spaces, as outlined in the TSRGD, and I believe this constitutes a valid reason for the cancellation of the PCN.

Local authorities are responsible for maintaining road markings and signs. If a disabled parking bay is adjacent to regular spaces, and the boundary or marking of the disabled bay is unclear or faded, the local authority has an obligation to refresh or repaint the markings to comply with the TSRGD.
The markings should be renewed if they have become difficult to see, as faded markings can make it unclear whether a parking space is designated for disabled use, potentially leading to unfair penalties for drivers.

Given these circumstances, I kindly request that you review the evidence and take into account the substandard condition of the ground markings when making your decision. I trust you will find that this appeal is justified and that the PCN will be cancelled accordingly.

I have attached photographs showing the worn and unclear "DISABLED" marking for your reference. If you require any additional information or evidence to support my appeal, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your prompt response and the cancellation of the charge.

Yours faithfully,

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Hi guys, I have been hit with a PCN from a Redbridge council officer for parking in a disabled person's parking place without displaying a blue badge on Ilford Lane IG1. I had parked at the end of a parade of maybe around 6 adjacent parking spots out of which just the end one I had parked in is for disabled persons only. I was shocked because neither I nor my partner who was with me at the time realised I had parked in a disabled person's spot.

Looking at the surrounding signage there is maybe some ignorance on my part - I had read read the top sign and duly registered my car in the Ringo app and had missed the bottom sign. However, I do see the ground marking "DISABLED" label is not very clear and hence in busy traffic/bright conditions can seem subtle and hidden. Just wanted to check with the forum if there is a legal requirement for the signage on the ground to be visible and easily legible and if I have a good case to challenge this? PCN and photos attached:















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I've removed those images - as well as sharing the PCN and Reg number (which isn't advised), you left your full name and home address showing!

Sorry I forgot to black out personal details although admins here have previously asked for PCN and reg number!

Updated photos here:







Plan A - complain to the landowner, especially as this would have been issued by a 'boots on the ground' operative and may even be self ticketing.

I think you're saying the car was parked with a toddler on board and the car seat then moved so the operative would see no child seat?
Notice issued to windscreen or by post? (if by post maybe they saw no toddler return to the car).

Too many relevant facts missing, we can't guess.

That is right car was parked with toddler on board and car seat was removed. The operative would have noticed no car seat and the Notice was issued by post there was nothing on the windscreen.

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I received the attached PCN from MET Parking Services when visiting TopGolf Chigwell last weekend. The alleged contravention is for breaching the terms and conditions for parking in a Parent & Toddler bay, specifically their photographs to evidence that I did not have a child car seat in my car.

The fact is my family were coming in two cars to the centre and my 5-year old niece decided to come in with us and we transferred her booster seat into my car and then put it back into their parent's car when we arrived. I've never come across an instance like this where they require evidence of a child car seat in order to park in a family bay but I used the bay legally and even had a booster seat on arrival.

I want to ask is this legally enforceable and any advice on appealing this?


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Full terms of the contract here:

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Here are the terms of the contract (minus any payment details):

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Yes it’s paid by direct debit.

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They've told me it would be added as an additional charge (£65 penalty + £15 administration) to my account which would come out of my usual lease payment next month.

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My thoughts exactly, I don't understand how I could have appealed it once they already paid the fine. It is a personal lease.

How do I proceed and what would be involved if I pursue it?

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