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As one saga comes to an end another starts.

I have had a PCN from Met Parking Services for overstaying, however, they’ve linked two separate stays.

https://imgur.com/a/OPSp2RJ - Front and back of PCN

The driver went to this particular McDonald’s after a lengthy visit to the hospital up the road. The driver then had work the same morning and went through the drive thru to get a coffee having not had much sleep.

I have called the McDonald’s and they didn’t pick up so I went in and spoke to a manager who refused to do anything.

I have a dashcam in my car, so can easily prove this is their error. What is the best course of action. I’m thinking of appealing as RK and providing the dashcam. Should I also complain to DVLA and ICO regarding the misuse of my data? How would I go about that?

TIA

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Great news! All 3 POPLA appeals have come through as successful! Many thanks to all who assisted!

They’re all the same assessor and say the same thing pretty much. I’ll paste it below - should anyone wish to see the other two, let me know.

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Firstly, I note that the appellant has raised multiple appeals with POPLA. I must advise that POPLA assess all appeals on an impartial case by case basis and as such each PCN must be appealed by the motorist separately. In this instance I am only assessing the appeal for POPLA code: 6061785462 which was issued to PCN number 238538/566743.

I am allowing this appeal, with my reasoning outlined below: It is the responsibility of the operator to provide POPLA with sufficient, clear evidence in order to rebut the appellant’s claims and prove that it issued the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) correctly.

This PCN has been issued for not gaining at the appropriate permit/authorisation. When parking on private land, the parking contract is between the motorist and the operator through the terms on its signs.

The signage at this site states parking is for patrons only and they must enter their vehicle registration into the terminal at reception on arrival to obtain a permit for the duration of their stay.

The parking operator has provided details from its system to show the appellants vehicle was on site for 23 hours and 4 minutes and their vehicle registration was not listed as having registered to obtain a permit.

The appellant has said in their appeal that the entrance sign was not visible as the driver entered the site. They have said this is inadequate and incorrectly positioned facing a dead-end road not oncoming traffic. The appellant has said that since the sign is not visible to incoming drivers, no terms were communicated, and therefore no contract could have been formed, breaching the BPA Code of Practice.

The appellant has acknowledged that the terms are displayed deeper inside the car park, but said no opportunity was given to consider or reject the contract before it was deemed to have begun. After viewing the parking operator’s case file, the appellant has said Parking Eye have not addressed or rebutted this as their photo of the entrance sign is misleading, as it is a close-up image that does not show whether the sign is visible from a vehicle on approach.

The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 19.2 states parking operators need to have entrance signs that make it clear a motorist is entering onto private land, and Section 19.3 says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms within the site. Within their case file the parking operator has provided a site map and images of the signage situated throughout the site, including the site entrance. The site map shows the entrance sign is positioned on the left side of the entrance as you approach it.

The appellant has provided a photo from dashcam footage taken on 28/04/2025 and they say this shows that no signage was visible at the point of entry and a photo of the same sign taken on 07/05/25, saying this shows it is facing away from oncoming traffic. The appellants images show the sign at the entrance, which I am satisfied would be seen by a driver if approaching the site from the right, as it is facing that direction. However, if a motorist is approaching the site from the left, the appellants evidence shows they would see the back of the sign and if they were then to turn into the site, and the driver’s seat is on the right, they may not see this sign. Therefore, from the evidence provided, it appears entirely possible that a motorist could enter the site from this direction and not see the entrance sign. They then would not be aware they were entering private land or that parking restrictions applied and therefore would not be expected to look for terms and conditions signage within the site.

The image of the entrance sign the operator has provided has been taken in close proximity and therefore does not show how this appears to drivers when entering the site. Therefore in this instance, I acknowledge the reason the PCN was issued, however I am not satisfied that the operator has adequately rebutted the appellant’s grounds for appeal.

I can only conclude that the PCN was issued incorrectly. I note the appellant has raised other issues as grounds for appeal, however, as I have decided to allow the appeal for this reason, I did not feel they required further consideration. Accordingly, I allow this appeal.

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You have 28 days to submit to POPLA so let's work on it a little. With POPLA, you have one chance to submit your case and once its submitted, no further evidence may be submitted. I'd also wait until you hear back from the gym managers before submitting. If the operator put someone to work on creating an evidence rebuttal package, they're going to use the fact that they've put money into the proccess to attempt to recover the invoice they've issued - lets not hand them to much ammunition.

That being said, lets go point by point;

Your Introduction
I'd keep the first two sentences. Bin the rest of it. These companies are not known for their use of discretion - they're whole bussiness comes from people paying their invoices! If you hand to them evidence that you knew the proccess, they're going to use it.

1. No Evidence of Landowner Authority
Yep, fair enough. Be prepared for them to supply the contract when they provide their evidence.

2. Inadequate Signage – BPA Code of Practice Breach
I'd take out the bit where you admit to knowing the process for the reasons I've already outlined. I've had a look on google street view and there does appear to be a sign at the entrance, however, it appears it can only be seen if you enter the car park traveling northbound on Maidstone Rd - bare in mind, I'm going on images from 09/24, If you could supply photos of up to date signage with timestamps (using an app such as timemark) this may assist us and your case.

You could add a quote from the BPA code of practice - Clearly a breach if you can only see from one direction.

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The size and positioning of the sign must take into account the expected speed and direction of travel of vehicles approaching the entrance and must be visible
(i.e. not be obscured e.g. by foliage or other objects).

3. No Grace Period Applied – BPA Code of Practice Clause 13
I'm not sure this is relevant really. Generally by grace period, they mean 10 mins. This is to come in and decide if you want to accept the terms.

4. The Charge is Not a Genuine Pre-Estimate of Loss and Is a Penalty
They'll attempt to rebutt this but I don't think it's harmful to keep it in

5. I Was a Legitimate, Paying Customer
Again, I think it'd be better to remove traces that you're aware of the process.

6. CEL’s Evidence Must Be Scrutinised for Accuracy and Timeliness
I'm not sure if this is relevant. This is how POPLA works. The operator sees your evidence and responds with theirs. Even though the the assesors are supposed to be independent, I wouldn't want to taint their view of the case.

This is only how I see it and I welcome anyone else to put their opinion forward.

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Yep, standard boilerplate appeal rejection.

Now, you could make a Subject Access Request to receive the words you used in your appeal, however, that’ll take at least a month. Meaning your POPLA code will be null and void.

By your last message, it sounds like attaching a bank statement and using the phrasing “I” did this, you have identified yourself as driver.

Hopefully some of the regular posters will be along shortly to have a look at the detail of charge. Hopefully they can find some grounds for appeal.

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It’s a shame you didn’t come to this forum before you submitted your appeal. You’ve identified the driver. A non identified driver is a golden ticket to not paying a penny.

You’re going to need to post the full PCN front and back for us to see if there’s any additional arguments, such as non compliance.

I’m sure some people smarter than me will be along with additional advise I may have forgone shortly.


EDIT: It appears I was far too slow at typing my reply. Hopefully, the sports center direct them to cancel the invoice. Although, given they’ve now taken the time & effort to reject the appeal - if you can call reading and pressing a button time and effort - they may be minded to advice the sports center that they’ve spent “resources” on dealing with you and not cancel. Any excuse with these bottom feeders.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN parking in own bay
« on: August 01, 2025, 08:20:47 am »
You’re gonna need to show the PCN as well if possible. Front and back. Make sure you hide your address, though

We also need a copy of what you said in your appeal.

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Ignore the 14 day discount that they offer which tends to get called the "mugs discount" on this forum. If you follow the advice you get here, you won't pay a penny of your hard earned cash to this company.

Have you had any contact with Horizon or identified yourself as the driver? If you haven't - DON'T. It's your golden ticket. As long as they don't know the ID of the driver, they're powerless to get anything from you.

Once we know if you've made any form of appeal, we can start attempting to assist you.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Unclear signage
« on: August 01, 2025, 01:31:42 am »
Firstly, you might want to update the images so that they don't show your address.

Ideally, we should get a few things cleared up. You mention debt collection letter which you can safely ignore until you get a Letter of Claim from the courts - don't entertain these debt collectors, they're powerless to get anything from you. However, the main point is if its got to debt collector letters, usually that means that you have appealed and they have rejected your appeal or you haven't contacted them at all and your ability to appeal is now gone.

Can you claify if you've made an appeal or had any contact with group nexus?

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Just to set your expectations, Ealing will not accept your inital appeal. I appealed a PCN parked outside my house as I don't have a permit because I'm usually at work when the restrictions are in place. I took my girlfriend to A&E because she has a migraine for a week. I spent the night there, came home exhaused after calling in sick to work and went to bed. Woke up to a parking ticket. Told them all this and they still refused my appeal. They will refuse to use their discretion like the money grabbers they are.

Anyway, I'm up that neck of the woods today. I'll see if I can get some footage coming from costons ln, onto greenford rd and back into the School Street.

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I absolutely hope it does help you and feel free to use it in all any appeals!

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Ealing council are terrible at appeals. When I got my last PCN from them, they only replied after I got my local MP to chase them up.

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Ok, I haven't got adblock on atm and it didn't let me scroll down. I first read your post thinking you were done for going past the 7.5t sign, which as a professional driver myself, astounded me that you even came to complain. My mistake.

Post the back and hopefully the council have got something wrong in the writing of the PCN. Google street view isn't really helpful, it jumps between 2020 and 2022.

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You're gonna have to post the front and back of the PCN for us to be able to assist you - Remove any personal info

Regarding your point of a why not have a no entry sign, that is a no entry sign. A circle sign with a red border is sign that prohibits something. In this case, it's anything with a 7.5 mgw or over. Considering you have been fined for failing to comply, you're a professional driver with at least a C1. Why would you even follow waze blindly - it's made for cars.

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They do seem to be suggesting that the notice is issued and served on the same date. Seeing as it's a postal PCN, they should allow for 2 days of service.

That is the only thing I can see and it would be for someone more expirenced than me to assit you in arguing that, if I'm right

Looking back the the posts im getting that info from, what I’m referring to is a rejection of representations - It seems like it’s all legit, unless someone can see something I’m not

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A third and final POPLA has come through where they identify me as the driver, which is funny because their own evidence shows that I appealed as RK and never identified myself as the driver.

Rebutted as per the last 2 and additionally rebutted their claim of me as driver pointing out their own evidence shows that I am RK.

Also noted that due to their failure to prove how I have been IDd as the driver the second Ntk is not POFA compliant.

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