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The Flame Pit / Re: Advice on collision with Virgin Media/O2 van in private car park
« on: November 28, 2025, 05:56:54 pm »
All the stuff about visitor permits and reporting to management is a load of petty guff and entirely irrelevant as far as a collision is concerned.

Why submit (and pay for) a V888 form where you could simply contact the company whose name is plastered all over the van? I'm sure they will be interested if one of their vehicles was in a collision, especially if the driver never reported it. Don't go in all confrontational and hurling accusations about the driver. Just start by reporting that one of their vans has collided with your car, and the driver would not provide details, hence you contacting them. Only once that channel is established should you start any complaint about behaviour.

And, as mentioned, just let your insurer deal with it.

If your car was parked at the time, then liability is pretty obvious, especially if you have video. It should come back as a no fault claim, and you can claim any excess you incur from the other party.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Police evidence is my defence and they still insist to prosecute. Process is the punishment?
« on: November 20, 2025, 04:37:19 pm »
Quote from: BillyH.... on November 20, 2025, 02:52:46 pm
→ Your counter: “The same type-approved device recorded 150 metres in 7 seconds on its own photos. That is 48 mph. The device cannot be correct about distance and time but wrong about speed. The evidence is internally inconsistent and unreliable — exclude it under s.78 PACE.”
“The distance check was only at 150 m, but the device is accurate to 1000 m.”
→ Your counter: Doesn’t matter. The device itself measured 150 m in 7 s on the day. That’s the evidence.
BZZZZZ. Wrong! No it isn't. Thank you for playing.

As Southpaw suggested, there appears to be a misunderstanding around how speed cameras work. Your average speed over 150m is irrelevant. The laser detection measures your speed (almost) instantaneously. It would appear that at some point you were clocked doing 58mph regardless of your speed a few seconds before or after.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Expecting a ban on Totting Up - How to find a good solicitor?
« on: November 19, 2025, 02:00:07 pm »
Could you be eligible for a speed awareness course for the speeding?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Zipcar did not inform me of NIP and now I'm being brought to Court
« on: November 08, 2025, 09:24:44 pm »
Quote from: LondonDriver1125 on November 08, 2025, 07:36:00 pm
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The next thing you will probably get is a Single Justice Procedure Notice (SJPN), if you were to respond to this with a guilty plea, you will almost certainly be sentenced (Band A) without the need to attend court.

I see. That makes sense. I think this is the best scenario I can hope for.
You can do better than that. As Andy has pointed out, the guidelines say that you ought to be sentenced at the Fixed Penalty rate (£100 + 3 points) and not all the surcharges and extras. When you get your SJP, your response needs to request this and mention those guidelines.

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The Flame Pit / Re: New Drivers and disqualification/revocation
« on: November 08, 2025, 12:50:54 pm »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on November 07, 2025, 08:01:51 pm
A cycling activist giving duff advice on motoring law? Say it ain’t so!
Hence why my OP said, "what he called exceptional circumstances," knowing that it was likely he wasn't using the correct term that was applied inside the courtroom.

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The Flame Pit / Re: What satnav software do you use to spot speed cameras?
« on: November 06, 2025, 06:08:29 pm »
Quote from: JohnBravo on November 06, 2025, 02:14:38 pm
Do the build-in sat navs in new cars differ much between car makers or do they use a well known vendor e.g. Garmin?
It may have changed in recent years, but my experience of the car makers' built-in SatNavs has been that they are woefully inadequate compared to the likes of Google Maps. Why would one pay hundreds of pounds for something where there's a free and far better version? Best option is Android Auto/Apple CarPlay, where you get the advantage of a superior SatNav on the car's built-in screen. Some manufacturers have Google built-in. Others are dropping Android Auto/Apple CarPlay because, in their arrogance, they still think their bespoke systems are better.

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The Flame Pit / Re: New Drivers and disqualification/revocation
« on: November 06, 2025, 12:27:10 pm »
Quote from: Southpaw82 on November 06, 2025, 12:11:12 pm
However, it is contrary to the sentencing guidelines (and the will of Parliament) to do so.
I think that's the real point.

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The Flame Pit / New Drivers and disqualification/revocation
« on: November 06, 2025, 10:42:47 am »
It has often been mentioned on these forums (and its predecessor) that when a new driver (less than 2 years on full licence) gets 6 points or more, that their licence is revoked and that they need to start all over again. It has also been stated that this is an administrative process by the DVLA and so the court doesn't really get a say in what happens.

However, there's a new CyclingMikey video on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq-EzEdfeHY) showing that there seems to be another option. Starting at about the 4:00 mark, he reports that the errant new driver managed to plead (what he called exceptional circumstances) to get a 1 month ban for their mobile phone offence, rather than having those 6 points and getting their licence revoked.

So it seems it may not necessarily be a slam-dunk revocation in such cases if you have an appropriate hardship case. Not going to discuss the rights and wrongs of whether this is appropriate, but there it is.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP recieved 62 in a 50
« on: November 03, 2025, 04:59:10 pm »
Quote from: NewJudge on November 03, 2025, 03:34:00 pm
With an offence date of 26th June, she may now be too late to be offered either a course or a fixed penalty. Most police forces have a cut off of four months as they must begin any prosecution within six months. Responses after that cut off will see them begin a prosecution.
If this happens, i.e. the next thing you get is a SJP, then it is worth asking that she is sentenced at the Fixed Penalty rate (rather than the usual multiple of earnings plus all the extras). The magistrates' guidelines say this should be case when the delay is purely administrative and out of the control of the Defendant.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Motorway Gantry speed limit signs
« on: October 30, 2025, 08:57:35 am »
Quote from: NewJudge on October 29, 2025, 11:03:17 am
Have you ever seen such a display?
I have, yes, every now an then. It does happen. I always assume the limit applies to all lanes.

Quote from: NewJudge on October 29, 2025, 11:03:17 am
Leaving aside where motorways diverge (and I think even then all lanes would be kept the same until the divergence was complete)
They do show different limits even before the physical divergence, though the lane markings clearly show that some lanes (with a different limit) are about to do so.

Back in the '90s when VSL were first introduced, it was suggested that different limits could apply on each lane, but I don't think this was ever actually implemented.

Quote from: NewJudge on October 29, 2025, 11:03:17 am
Any limit displayed previously remains in force until the driver encounters a sign displaying something else (a different limit or the NSL sign).
Unfortunately it also happens that there is not always an NSL at the end of a variable speed restriction. Could be because the restriction you last passed has been lifted and so all the signs are now blank, or some other random reason. One simply has to assume after a couple of gantries that NSL now applies (whether rightly or not).

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The Flame Pit / Re: Do MET Police Act on Dashcam Footage?
« on: October 20, 2025, 08:53:50 am »
Cycling Mikey submits footage to the Met regularly. These are largely for mobile phone offences, where the burden of proof is fairly clear cut. You can submit footage alleging careless or even dangerous driving. But these are somewhat more subjective, so what you consider to be careless driving may not reach the bar that the person reviewing the footage may be working to. But there is nothing stopping you from trying.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 71 in a 60
« on: October 18, 2025, 02:11:39 pm »
Quote from: Basildon Bond on October 18, 2025, 01:32:06 pm
What viable defence do I have, unsure, that's why I came here, for help, I am fully aware my father, needs to legally name the driver and I will as he's 94 and I am also his carer so I will be naming the driver myself.
From what you have said so far, you have no viable defence. Unless there is something significant you haven't mentioned. You should be eligible for another course at that speed, so suggest you/your father get(s) on with it and name(s) the driver (yourself). The earlier you do this, and likewise when you get a S.172 request addressed to you, the less chance it has of running out of time to do the course.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: 93mph in 70mph duel carriageway
« on: October 18, 2025, 09:31:13 am »
Quote from: Nwaleslad on October 18, 2025, 08:10:24 am
All paid off now sl can move on
Be sure to read and conform to everything on the CoFP. By which I mean have you submitted your driving licence details as required? This is a step that people overlook and end up with a SJP and higher fines.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Grounds for contesting a COFP?
« on: October 14, 2025, 08:52:27 am »
Quote from: Magicmarie on October 13, 2025, 11:50:48 pm
Are there any grounds to contest this?
On what grounds? They have appeared to ping you at 35 & 36mph. Are you disputing that you were going that speed? Or something else?
Anyway, as has been pointed out, the only way to "contest" is to ignore the COFP, plead not guilty to the subsequent SJP and take it to court.

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Non-motoring legal advice / Re: Advise following road traffic collision -
« on: October 13, 2025, 08:49:25 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on October 06, 2025, 12:16:06 pm
I would have thought the insurer will handle any issues with the accident bar personal injury unless you have personal injury in the policy too. You could have injury covered by other insurance or by your employer if you have a job.
Failing that, you could approach one of those no-win, no-fee personal injuries claim companies. They will assess if you have a case (their business model is not to chase lost causes).

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