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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 22, 2026, 05:58:19 pm »
There's an email address so I'll try that
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 22, 2026, 05:57:03 pm »
Ah, ok, will do.
Thank you
Thank you
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 22, 2026, 05:53:49 pm »
Sorry, another question. I'm providing the driver details online but there's nowhere to add any additional information or to add pictures. Is there something I'm missing?
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 09:32:54 pm »
Great, will do.
Thank you
Thank you
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 06:13:40 pm »
Ah. I'm getting mixed up. Sorry, not familiar with all this, I've had a very unremarkable driving history without points/court etc.
So I would have to attend court with hard copies of my pictures?
At what point could I send my pictures to the Police to see if they would consider them?
Thanks
Mark
So I would have to attend court with hard copies of my pictures?
At what point could I send my pictures to the Police to see if they would consider them?
Thanks
Mark
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 04:48:03 pm »
Ok, I think I'll try option 2 as I don't feel like I'll be offered a FPN at 3.6 seconds (after the advice on here). I'm on a smallish pension so the different cost outcomes aren't very far apart anyway for the guilty options.
I guess I can do this online and upload my pictures of the damaged traffic light?
Thanks again
I guess I can do this online and upload my pictures of the damaged traffic light?
Thanks again
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 04:14:27 pm »
Thank you, that all seems very sensible advice.
Not denying the offence, I was just shocked to have committed it, I'm not the type to run red lights, and wanted to work out why it happened.
I'll confirm the driver details and then see how to contact the court with our Guilty but please consider etc.
By the way, this picture perhaps gives a better drivers type view of the angle of the traffic light
Not denying the offence, I was just shocked to have committed it, I'm not the type to run red lights, and wanted to work out why it happened.
I'll confirm the driver details and then see how to contact the court with our Guilty but please consider etc.
By the way, this picture perhaps gives a better drivers type view of the angle of the traffic light
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 01:50:52 pm »
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 21, 2026, 01:49:29 pm »
Well I went back today and the luckily for me light is still bent.
I was mistaken on the right turn light, it does show a green arrow but in my defence the straight on red light is not visible at all and at 30 - 40mph in traffic I just registered the green light pointing at me.
A side observation is that the straight ahead and right turn lights show green together and then the straight ahead light turns red followed by the right turn light going red about 4 seconds later. This means we hit the junction just at the wrong moment in the sequence to see a red light on our side of the road.
Is the light being twisted a valid or potentially succesful defence or should I plead guilty?
I'll insert two pictures I took today below. Please let me know if you can't see them.
I was mistaken on the right turn light, it does show a green arrow but in my defence the straight on red light is not visible at all and at 30 - 40mph in traffic I just registered the green light pointing at me.
A side observation is that the straight ahead and right turn lights show green together and then the straight ahead light turns red followed by the right turn light going red about 4 seconds later. This means we hit the junction just at the wrong moment in the sequence to see a red light on our side of the road.
Is the light being twisted a valid or potentially succesful defence or should I plead guilty?
I'll insert two pictures I took today below. Please let me know if you can't see them.
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 20, 2026, 01:50:02 pm »Ah, I see... The mini?
The only downside I can see is the green you saw had a right turn only sign underneath. (And that the lights on the left and centre were red)
Yes, we are the grey Mini. Is the picture showing up?
True but this is a very busy road with a 40 mph limit so a lot to take in. I just saw a big green light!
My partner thought they saw the left hand red light but it was just as we went through so we weren't sure what had happened and why we remember this moment.
Wish we had a dash cam as it would paint a thousand words as to our view.
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 20, 2026, 01:44:19 pm »So as I understand it, you’re saying that the pole on the island (between the three lane section and the single “right turn” lane) was rotated so that the light that was supposed to have been turned towards the right turn lane (and so only visible from it) was facing the oncoming traffic in the three lane section? Meanwhile, the light controlling the three lane section (with the “No Right Turn” sign below it) was skewed away from that section and was invisible from it?
Yes
If you were in the outermost of the three lanes I can see the confusion there might be. However, if you were in the nearside or middle, I would think a court might consider that the light on the nearside (by “Paddy Power”) and that on the large overhead support would be sufficient.
Yes we were in the outside lane in the grey Mini pictured.
It’s very hard to say how a court might view this. You have been helped very much by the police photograph not showing the errant set of lights. I would get down there pronto to see if the fault still exists and take a few photos if it does.
The Police photograph does show the lights for straight ahead are facing the wrong way
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 20, 2026, 12:50:23 pm »
Sorry, yes, One lane turning right.
Yes the pole was twisted so I could see the green light for turning right. It was a full green, not one with a illuminated green arrow. My red light is shown in the police picture pointing more towards any pedestrians waiting to cross from the left.
That combined with the busy traffic and the bend in the road caused me to misread the situation.
I put the Police photo in my first post but maybe it's not showing up? I'm not great with tech.
Here's the link https://i.postimg.cc/1RFCdxsq/Red-light-photo.jpg
And I'll try inserting it here.
Yes the pole was twisted so I could see the green light for turning right. It was a full green, not one with a illuminated green arrow. My red light is shown in the police picture pointing more towards any pedestrians waiting to cross from the left.
That combined with the busy traffic and the bend in the road caused me to misread the situation.
I put the Police photo in my first post but maybe it's not showing up? I'm not great with tech.
Here's the link https://i.postimg.cc/1RFCdxsq/Red-light-photo.jpg
And I'll try inserting it here.
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 20, 2026, 12:12:32 pm »
Sorry, I didn't realise that I could do Streetview links.
In this you can see the two traffic lights on the one pole and how when the pole is rotated to the position shown in the Police photo it would show the other traffic light to approaching traffic (which was green).
The fact that the polices own photo shows the traffic light is pointing the wrong way must help doesn't it? Add to that one 6 inches to it's side (and pointing at me) was showing green compounds the error.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/b9T7BZ6EqSw7V5wh9
My previous issues on here and Pepipoo have been more about private parking issues so I slipped into using "we" from the old advice about not identifying the driver so apologies for that.
I'll go back over there tomorrow and get some pictures. Hopefully it's not been fixed yet. Does anyone know how you go about contacting the council about traffic light issues? This is all sounding quite serious so I need to get prepared.
In this you can see the two traffic lights on the one pole and how when the pole is rotated to the position shown in the Police photo it would show the other traffic light to approaching traffic (which was green).
The fact that the polices own photo shows the traffic light is pointing the wrong way must help doesn't it? Add to that one 6 inches to it's side (and pointing at me) was showing green compounds the error.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/b9T7BZ6EqSw7V5wh9
My previous issues on here and Pepipoo have been more about private parking issues so I slipped into using "we" from the old advice about not identifying the driver so apologies for that.
I'll go back over there tomorrow and get some pictures. Hopefully it's not been fixed yet. Does anyone know how you go about contacting the council about traffic light issues? This is all sounding quite serious so I need to get prepared.
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Speeding and other criminal offences / Red Light Camera Prosecution on A41 Watford Way j/w Queens Road London
« on: June 20, 2026, 11:24:29 am »
Hi All,
Please could I have some advice regards failing to comply with a red light.
Our defence is that the red light we passed shared its pole with another traffic light for two right turning lanes which was showing green. The traffic light pole was damaged in that it had rotated 30 or 40 degrees clockwise (looking from above).
This meant that we couldn't see the red light, just a green light on our side of the 3 lane road.
Is this a valid excuse? Annoyingly the Police photo cuts off right at the edge of the second set of lights but it does show the red light is not facing approching traffic.
I'll insert the police picture below and attach a google streetview from last year showing the scene. We're in the grey Mini going over the line. You can just see the twisted traffic light to our right.
Just got the letter today so we'll start with declaring the driver but wondered if it's then worth appealing this or if it's better to just pay up and hope for a safety course? It says we were 3.6 seconds into red if that matters?
Thanks very much.
https://i.postimg.cc/1RDBHprW/Google-Streetview.png
Please could I have some advice regards failing to comply with a red light.
Our defence is that the red light we passed shared its pole with another traffic light for two right turning lanes which was showing green. The traffic light pole was damaged in that it had rotated 30 or 40 degrees clockwise (looking from above).
This meant that we couldn't see the red light, just a green light on our side of the 3 lane road.
Is this a valid excuse? Annoyingly the Police photo cuts off right at the edge of the second set of lights but it does show the red light is not facing approching traffic.
I'll insert the police picture below and attach a google streetview from last year showing the scene. We're in the grey Mini going over the line. You can just see the twisted traffic light to our right.
Just got the letter today so we'll start with declaring the driver but wondered if it's then worth appealing this or if it's better to just pay up and hope for a safety course? It says we were 3.6 seconds into red if that matters?
Thanks very much.
https://i.postimg.cc/1RDBHprW/Google-Streetview.png
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: No pictures on the council website.
« on: December 31, 2024, 10:31:41 pm »
I've found the pictures! Went to a different part of the website to appeal and there they were!
Happy New Year to you all.
Happy New Year to you all.
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