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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: July 04, 2025, 04:13:13 pm »
Thank you for the detailed response and re-assurance, it's really appreciated. I will wait for the LoC and get in touch. 


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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: July 04, 2025, 01:16:56 pm »
As expected, IAS dismissed my appeal, I guess I just wait for the LoC now? I am a little nervous about their responses, do they have a case or is it a load of 'waffle'?

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"The Appellant should understand that the Adjudicator is not in a position to give legal advice to either of the parties but they are entitled to seek their own independent legal advice. The Adjudicator's role is to consider whether or not the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each individual case. In all Appeals the Adjudicator is bound by the relevant law applicable at the time and is only able to consider legal challenges and not factual mistakes nor extenuating or mitigating circumstances. Throughout this appeal the Operator has had the opportunity consider all points raised and could have conceded the appeal at any stage. The Adjudicator who deals with this Appeal is legally qualified and each case is dealt with according to their understanding of the law as it applies and the legal principles involved. A decision by an Adjudicator is not legally binding on an Appellant who is entitled to seek their own legal advice if they so wish.

I am satisfied from the Landowner Authority documents provided that the Appellant was parked in an area where the Operator has authority to issue Parking Charge Notices and to take the necessary steps to enforce them.

Images, including a site map have been provided to me by the Operator which shows the signage displayed on this site. After viewing those images I am satisfied that the signage is sufficient to have brought to the attention of the Appellant the terms and conditions that apply to parking on this site.

The terms and conditions of parking at this location are such that drivers must clearly display a valid permit in the front windscreen of their vehicle with all of the details clearly visible at all times. In the photographs provided to me it is clear that no such permit was displayed. The Appellant's contention that the permit was displayed and could have been seen had the parking attendant got closer to the vehicle is not accepted as the photographs clearly show that this is not the case. The Appellant's own image shows no permit on display with all details visible as required by the signage. It is the driver's responsibility to ensure that they clearly display a valid permit and otherwise conform with the terms and conditions of the Operator's signage displayed at this site. The Appellant claims to have rights under their tenancy agreement but provides no documentary evidence of any such rights. Even if a right to park exists without sight of the documents setting out such a right, I cannot be satisfied that they are not restricted by other provisions. Even if the Appellant does have an unrestricted right to park in their tenancy agreement, I am unable to allow the appeal on this basis. The Appellant is correct that a right in a lease would ordinarily have primacy, and the Operator could not unilaterally override this. however, by agreeing to display a permit (which the Appellant states he was doing at the time of the parking event), and take part in the car park management scheme, the Appellant has waived any rights they had to park without restriction. The Appellant cannot take advantage of the scheme when it benefits them and disregard it when it does not. As a genuine permit holder the Appellant has my sympathy, but the guidance to appeal is clear that I may only consider legal issues not mitigating or extenuating circumstances. The Appellant's argument that the NTK does not comply with PoFA is also not accepted. The time and date stamped photographs show different times on them and therefore show a period of parking and as the Operator states the Operator is only required to show that no permit was displayed not a period of parking such as where the PCN relates to a period of unpaid parking. As such, on the basis of the evidence provided I am satisfied that the Appellant was parked in breach of the displayed terms and conditions and that the PCN was correctly issued on this occasion.

I have considered all the issues raised by both parties in this Appeal and I am satisfied that the Operator has established that the Parking Charge Notice was properly issued in accordance with the law and therefore this Appeal is dismissed.
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Private parking tickets / Re: APCOA Parking Charge Manchester Airport
« on: June 29, 2025, 09:02:08 pm »
Just a quick update to advise that they have cancelled the PCN, thank you once again @DWMB2 @b789 @jfollows , you're the best!  [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 19, 2025, 10:33:34 pm »
Thanks, sent my rebuttal, let's see what nonsense I get back.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 19, 2025, 06:09:50 pm »
Thanks for this, I will respond with this information. It seems the photos were there and accessible online all along, I didn't notice them, however as you state they are not written in the NtK.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 19, 2025, 01:16:21 pm »
A further response from VCS, it seems to be a battle of attrition where they keep repeating same/similar statements.

Apologies from me, as I did not notice the photos they had shared (attached), do these prove their point 2?  :(

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1. We note that parking operators are entitled to up to six months from the date of a parking event in order to lawfully request keeper details from the DVLA for the purposes of lawfully issuing a charge, and subsequently up to six years to pursue the outstanding sum of this charge. We have adhered to this timescale.

2. The supplied contravention photographs are time and date stamped and confirm that the appellant's vehicle was observed in situ for 11 minutes and 39 seconds before the PCN was issued. This was a fair and reasonable period.


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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 16, 2025, 06:40:13 pm »
Thanks once again, rebuttal sent, this time as a PDF attachment as copy/paste function is still disabled.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 16, 2025, 01:41:53 pm »
So VCS have responded as follows:

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1. The time and date contravention photographs clearly show that at the time observation by the PO no valid permit was displayed in the windscreen of the appellant's vehicle, as per the clearly advertised contractual terms and conditions of parking.

2. A person can enter into a contract either by expressly agreeing to do so or by acting in such a way that they can be said to have implied agreement to enter into a contract. Where notice is given to a motorist of the consequences of parking in a particular area, by implications a motorist enters into a contract with VCS and accepts the terms set out in the Notice by proceeding to park. The appellant's residency of an adjacent property did not nullify their only park in compliance of the terms and conditions.

3. The NTK complies with the POFA 2012. The PCN was issued for a parking period related contravention; it was issued for the contravention parking without displaying a valid permit.

Should I respond to this by emphasising my above points made previously, as theirs just seem to be repetitive?

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 12, 2025, 11:21:56 pm »
Thank you so much for this, I have submitted it, interestingly their website would not allow a copy/paste function so I typed out the response. I guess that is another way to discourage appeals.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 12, 2025, 04:22:23 pm »
Thanks for your prompt response, I will change point 4, ref point 7,  I used the appeal that b789 kindly supplied

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Grounds of Appeal:

1. No Valid Contract – Pre-Existing Parking Rights Granted by Tenancy Agreement

The Appellant is the lawful residential tenant of the property associated with the parking space in question. An Assured Shorthold Tenancy Agreement (AST) grants the Appellant an express and exclusive right to use an allocated parking space. The AST does not contain any clause requiring the display of a permit, nor does it incorporate or acknowledge the signage, terms, or scheme operated by the parking company.

The Appellant's rights under the tenancy agreement override any alleged third-party terms displayed on signs. The operator is put to strict proof that their signage terms can override an existing contractual right of quiet enjoyment and exclusive use, and that any such signage forms part of the tenant's agreed obligations.

2. No Evidence of Contravention – Permit Displayed / Not Required

The operator has not shown that any contravention occurred. The vehicle was parked in the Appellant’s allocated space. A valid permit was present on the dashboard at the time, although the operator’s photograph is inconclusive. In any event, the AST grants an unqualified right to park, and the display of a permit has always been a courtesy, not a condition. There is no breach of any enforceable term.

3. No Standing to Enforce – No Evidence of a Valid Landowner Contract

The Appellant puts the operator to strict proof that they hold a valid, contemporaneous, and unredacted contract with the landowner, not a managing agent, which:

• Grants them authority to enter into contracts with drivers;
• Permits them to issue Parking Charge Notices (or Penalty Notices, as described on the NtK);
• Allows enforcement on residential tenant-controlled spaces.

A copy of the superior lease (if any) is not binding on the Appellant unless it has been incorporated into the AST and provided to the tenant, which it has not.

If the operator cannot produce such a contract, their authority to operate at this site is in serious doubt.

4. Failure to Establish Keeper Liability under PoFA 2012

The Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), because it does not specify the required “period of parking.” A single timestamp is not a period. This failure invalidates any attempt to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper. If the assessor is indeed a solicitor or a barrister they should be familiar with the persuasive appeal decision in Scott Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions Ltd (2023) [H6DP632H].

Furthermore, the operator has not shown that the vehicle was parked for longer than the minimum consideration period required under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (Section 5.1). No contract could have been formed without first allowing the driver an opportunity to review and accept the terms.

Conclusion

The Appellant denies any contractual liability and invites the assessor to require the operator to either:

• Provide the unredacted landowner contract showing their lawful authority to issue charges at residential properties, including over spaces subject to tenancy rights;
• Acknowledge that the alleged breach is unsupported by evidence and withdraw the charge.

Should this appeal be dismissed, the Appellant will consider the matter closed and will not engage further outside of formal litigation. Any claim will be defended robustly and with full reliance on tenancy rights, evidential deficiencies, and operator misconduct.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 12, 2025, 04:08:25 pm »
Thanks for all the guidance, I've put together the following responses, mainly be referring to previous advice from you good folk. I am not very experienced at this and do need help on point 7, also can you please advise if my responses are on point?

1. The Sxxxxx Cxxxx Residential Car Park is private land and motorists are allowed to park their vehicle provided that they abide by any displayed conditions of parking.

APP: Once again, The Appellant is the lawful residential tenant of the property associated with the parking space in question. An Assured Shorthold Tenancy Agreement (AST) grants the Appellant an express and exclusive right to use an allocated parking space. The AST does not contain any clause requiring the display of a permit, nor does it incorporate or acknowledge the signage, terms, or scheme operated by the parking company. The Appellant's rights under the tenancy agreement override any alleged third-party terms displayed on signs. The operator is put to strict proof that their signage terms can override an existing contractual right of quiet enjoyment and exclusive use, and that any such signage forms part of the tenant's agreed obligations.


2. The signage on site states, ‘Parking is strictly reserved for valid parking permit holders Only' and ‘A valid parking permit must be displayed inside the front windscreen of the vehicle with all details clearly visible at all times.' The signage makes it clear that anyone observed to be in contravention of these Terms and Conditions will become liable for a PCN.

APP: Signage is irrelevant, VCS is not a party in the AST and therefore cannot impose terms and conditions on parking.

3. Site photos supplied show that the signage can be seen throughout the car park. The adjudicator will note that the VCS signage onsite, including its wording and positioning has been audited by the IPC, has passed audit, complies with the IPC Code of Practice and is deemed fit for purpose.

APP: Once again, signage is irrelevant as VCS are not a party in the AST

4. Enforcement for parking contraventions at this car site is undertaken by POs who use a Hand Held Terminal (HHT) to record details of any vehicle and its registration number, which may be parked in contravention of the advertised Terms & Conditions. Those images and other relevant information are uploaded in real time to a secure portal, where the information is reviewed. No formal Parking Charge Notice is affixed to the vehicle; instead, a Notice to Keeper is subsequently issued by post, this practice falls in line with the process and procedures as per site management using ANPR technology.

APP: Enforcement for parking is solely in line with the AST.

5. The Patrol Officer (PO) observed the appellant's vehicle in situ for 11 minutes and 39 seconds and when digitally recording the contravention the PO noted ‘Vehicle not displaying a valid parking permit.'

APP: The operator has not shown that any contravention occurred. The vehicle was parked in the Appellant's allocated space. A valid permit was present on the dashboard at the time, although the operator's photograph is inconclusive. In any event, the AST grants an unqualified right to park, and the display of a permit has always been a courtesy, not a condition. There is no breach of any enforceable term.

6. The contravention photographs supplied, which are time and date stamped corroborate the PO's observations, clearly show that no valid permit was displayed in the windscreen of the vehicle and highlight the proximity of the vehicle to contractual VCS signage.

APP: As the photos were taken from a distance, they do not show the missing permit which is always present in the car as a courtesy, further there are no signs.

7. Both the period of observation by the PO and our photographic evidence comply with the Single Code of Practice.

APP: Need help on how to respond to this point? Do they comply with the Single Coe of Practice?

8. As registered keeper, we are holding the appellant liable for the Charge Notice under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, details of which where explained in the formal Notice sent on 24/04/2025. We note that the appellant has also declined to name the driver of their vehicle at the time of the incident in question. It is important that we make the adjudicator aware that we will rely on the keeper liability provisions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and as such, do not require those details.

APP: The Notice to Keeper fails to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(a), because it does not specify the required “period of parking.” A single timestamp is not a period. This failure invalidates any attempt to transfer liability from the unknown driver to the registered keeper. If the assessor is indeed a solicitor or a barrister they should be familiar with the persuasive appeal decision in Scott Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions Ltd (2023) [H6DP632H].

Furthermore, the operator has not shown that the vehicle was parked for longer than the minimum consideration period required under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (Section 5.1). No contract could have been formed without first allowing the driver an opportunity to review and accept the terms.



9. The contract between the appellant and VCS was formed when the motorist entered the car park. When entering this private land, a motorist freely enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions advertised in return for permission to enter. It is the motorist's responsibility to ensure that they abide by any clearly displayed terms and conditions. It is clear that the terms and conditions stated that vehicles must clearly display valid permit otherwise the motorist would face liability for a Charge Notice.

APP: VCS cannot form a contract with the appellant as the appellant has an AST in place granting them rights to park in their allocated space without the need of a valid permit.

10. A copy of our authority to manage parking on this site, including where the appellant parked their vehicle was supplied as part of the IPC audit process and is available solely to the Adjudicator for their perusal.

APP: VCS needs to demonstrate how its “authority” to manage parking has been incorporated into the residents’ AST

11. A helpline telephone number (open 24 hours per day) is clearly displayed on all EPS signage for any motorist experiencing difficulty or who has any questions or concerns. This was not utilised by the appellant. If the terms and conditions were in any way unclear to the appellant, or they were unsure if they applied to them, they had the option of contacting us for advice.

APP: As an existing AST is in place which allows the appellant to park in their allocated space, using this number is completely unnecessary and irrelevant.

12. The appellant has presented no evidence of either possessing a valid permit or of residency of an adjacent Signal Court property. However such evidence would not nullify the facts of their contravention or their liability for the charge. The terms and conditions for parking on this private land are clearly advertised by the signage on site.

APP: A valid permit, though not necessary, is always on display on the vehicle, no evidence was requested to show this permit, if it was requested it a copy of it would have been presented to VCS.

13. The appellant became liable for a Charge Notice as per the Terms and Conditions displayed by parking without displaying a valid permit.

APP: Once again, as the appellant has an AST in place for their allocated space a valid permit is not needed.

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 11, 2025, 08:04:28 pm »
I'm leaning towards just leaving it as I'm not sure it's worth the hassle if they will find in favour of VCS, or should I take some time out and cover each point?

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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 11, 2025, 02:33:06 pm »
After appealing on IAS website, VCS have responded as below, it would be appreciated if you could advise what response I should give to this? I don't really have much hope of IAS being impartial (as read previously) but I guess 'nothing ventured....'.


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The operator made their Prima Facie Case on 11/06/2025 13:41:45.

The operator reported that...
The appellant was the keeper.
The operator is seeking keeper liability in accordance with PoFA..
The Notice to Keeper (Non-ANPR) was sent on 24/04/2025.
The ticket was issued on 24/04/2025.
The charge is based in Contract.

The operator made the following comments...
1. The Sxxxxx Cxxxx Residential Car Park is private land and motorists are allowed to park their vehicle provided that they abide by any displayed conditions of parking.

2. The signage on site states, ‘Parking is strictly reserved for valid parking permit holders Only' and ‘A valid parking permit must be displayed inside the front windscreen of the vehicle with all details clearly visible at all times.' The signage makes it clear that anyone observed to be in contravention of these Terms and Conditions will become liable for a PCN.

3. Site photos supplied show that the signage can be seen throughout the car park. The adjudicator will note that the VCS signage onsite, including its wording and positioning has been audited by the IPC, has passed audit, complies with the IPC Code of Practice and is deemed fit for purpose.

4. Enforcement for parking contraventions at this car site is undertaken by POs who use a Hand Held Terminal (HHT) to record details of any vehicle and its registration number, which may be parked in contravention of the advertised Terms & Conditions. Those images and other relevant information are uploaded in real time to a secure portal, where the information is reviewed. No formal Parking Charge Notice is affixed to the vehicle; instead, a Notice to Keeper is subsequently issued by post, this practice falls in line with the process and procedures as per site management using ANPR technology.

5. The Patrol Officer (PO) observed the appellant's vehicle in situ for 11 minutes and 39 seconds and when digitally recording the contravention the PO noted ‘Vehicle not displaying a valid parking permit.'

6. The contravention photographs supplied, which are time and date stamped corroborate the PO's observations, clearly show that no valid permit was displayed in the windscreen of the vehicle and highlight the proximity of the vehicle to contractual VCS signage.

7. Both the period of observation by the PO and our photographic evidence comply with the Single Code of Practice.

8. As registered keeper, we are holding the appellant liable for the Charge Notice under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, details of which where explained in the formal Notice sent on 24/04/2025. We note that the appellant has also declined to name the driver of their vehicle at the time of the incident in question. It is important that we make the adjudicator aware that we will rely on the keeper liability provisions within Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) and as such, do not require those details.

9. The contract between the appellant and VCS was formed when the motorist entered the car park. When entering this private land, a motorist freely enters into an agreement to abide by the conditions advertised in return for permission to enter. It is the motorist's responsibility to ensure that they abide by any clearly displayed terms and conditions. It is clear that the terms and conditions stated that vehicles must clearly display valid permit otherwise the motorist would face liability for a Charge Notice.

10. A copy of our authority to manage parking on this site, including where the appellant parked their vehicle was supplied as part of the IPC audit process and is available solely to the Adjudicator for their perusal.

11. A helpline telephone number (open 24 hours per day) is clearly displayed on all EPS signage for any motorist experiencing difficulty or who has any questions or concerns. This was not utilised by the appellant. If the terms and conditions were in any way unclear to the appellant, or they were unsure if they applied to them, they had the option of contacting us for advice.

12. The appellant has presented no evidence of either possessing a valid permit or of residency of an adjacent Signal Court property. However such evidence would not nullify the facts of their contravention or their liability for the charge. The terms and conditions for parking on this private land are clearly advertised by the signage on site.

13. The appellant became liable for a Charge Notice as per the Terms and Conditions displayed by parking without displaying a valid permit.


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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 07, 2025, 02:30:38 pm »
For completeness, I've selected I am being held liable, as VCS are attempting to go after me as the registered keeper.


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Private parking tickets / Re: PCN Chester Private Car Park
« on: June 05, 2025, 06:40:39 pm »
Next page is as follows if I select I am being held liable:

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