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To give you a break from and putting procedure to one side for a moment:

We just came back from holiday to find a claim form stating that we overstayed  at a supermarket car park on the 27 of November last year.

The sum is £262.96! but we received nothing prior to this. Should I not have received some sort of parking ticket first with an option to contest it?


So, the keeper had no other notices, in particular the Notice to Keeper or Letter of Claim.

So,

1. Is the address on the claim the same in all respects as the V5C of the vehicle concerned?
2. Can you think of any reason why these notices(probably amongst others) would not have been received?

3. Has the keeper at any time made direct contact with the claimant?

Hi there,

1. Yes, V5C address is correct.
2. I wish
3. None at all

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They will want to settle out of court. Do not even try to do so. They will eventually discontinue. If you are getting unwanted calls from them (or anyone) simply block the number.

You certainly don't want any communications from them that is not in writing. A phone call is not worth the paper it is not written on. They will eventually send your "without prejudice" offer. Again, simply ignore them and wait for the N279 Notice of Discontinuation (NoD).

It is up to DCB Legal to send a copy to the defendant. However, they often conveniently forget to do so with the defendant showing up at court only to find out they had discontinued weeks or months earlier. If you've not heard from them within a month of the hearing date, phone the court to check whether they have discontinued and neglected to let you know.

In the meantime, I am drafting a letter to see if the allocation judge will set aside the order for the hearing as they have not issued the order that was attached to the defence. Whether that is because they never received a copy of it from the CNBC or just didn't issue it, we don't know.

Either way, as mentioned, they will discontinue anyway. Always more satisfying if you can get the claim struck out on your terms rather than discontinued on theirs.

Here is the link to pictures of the photos. They are a little bit jumbled (not sure how to re-order them!)

Link to court letters

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These are standard letters. However, please show them to us, redacting only your personal information and the claim number. Everything else can be shown.

Even if nothing else was done by you, this would eventually be discontinued. However, as the allocation judge has not issued the order, we will need to send a skeleton argument. Please show us the letters you received first.

Thank you, I'll upload them and link them in.

PS, my partner keeps having missed calls from what must be the legal company representing the claimant, called DCB Legal. They've called us a few times but if my wife doesn't recognise the number, usually doesn't answer. They've called a few times. Left me wondering what they might want. Any ideas?

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When the case management judge reads the defence they will either order the claimant to provide detailed PoC or strike the claim out. If they don't, they will order a trial date. At some point just before the claimant has to pay the trial fee, they will discontinue.

So We received:

1. A letter titled 'Notice of Allocation to the Small Claims Track (Hearing)' and dated the 1st of Dec 2024
2. A second letter almost immediately after titled 'Notice of Trial Date' and dated 2nd of Dec 2024. Trial date sent for the 2nd of April 2025.

Both are a bit tricky to understand, or at least be certain of the meaning. I'm hoping this is all standard stuff but I understood your earlier messages correctly, there's nothing to be done still?

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It can take months, depending on how busy your local court is. If you need to ask them questions, call the court where the case has been transferred to.

We just received a letter titled "Notice of Transfer of Proceedings"

Something about the claim being transferred to the County Court at Reading for allocation.

Does this all sound like the process you'd expect it to follow?

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The case management order will arrive by post.

Any idea who I can call or write to if nothing arrives for a while?

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Unfortunately the offence isn't using it but is handling it/touching it when it is not in a holder so it sounds as if you are bang to rights. Past driving record is irrelevant. Others may have further comment though.

Just had this back from Norfolk & Suffolk rozzers after outing someone for mobile phone use caught on dashcam. They advised the NIP was being withdrawn. Relevant bit of reply reads thusly:

".....whilst the phone is obviously held, we cannot see the screen and thus ‘prove’ it was being used."

NIP?

So it wasn't that the police stopped him, it was you passing it on?

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When the case management judge reads the defence they will either order the claimant to provide detailed PoC or strike the claim out. If they don't, they will order a trial date. At some point just before the claimant has to pay the trial fee, they will discontinue.

Thank you.

Would correspondence be via post and do you have any idea how long they might take before we hear anything? Just that I'm paranoid about not chasing it up at the right time if any of their letters don't arrive.

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Get the phone sorted. Your wife will have to e the person that takes the call. It is nothing to worry about. I tis not a trial and there are no lawyers or judges involved. It's just a person who has had a days training in mediation. The only requirement is ti "attend" the call.

Your wife says she is only prepared to offer £0 and it will all be over in less than 5 minutes.

The call was "attended" and that's the end of the matter. It has no bearing whatsoever on the proceedings as the progress.

Hi,

So my partner attended the phone meeting 2 weeks ago. She said she wouldn't offer to pay anything.

Do you know what happens next and when we should hear back?

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In which case, there is nothing to do. They have up to 6 years from the event to issue a claim for the alleged debt. So, if you move before those 6 years are up, tell the DPO of the company to rectify their data with the new address and to erase the old address.

What's the DPO?

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are their additional charges or points?

No additional points. Six is the only number that can be imposed for the offence. The court does have the power to order your disqualification for any period they see fit, but this is very unlikely.

But there are considerably increased financial penalties. If convicted you will pay fine of half a week's net income, a "Victim Surcharge" of 40% of that fine and prosecution costs of around £650. If your weekly income if £500 it will cost you £1,000.

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Also, what happens to lying officer if you prove you weren't doing what they accuse you of?
If you adopt the approach that the officer is lying you will received short shrift. The best you can suggest is that he was mistaken.
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Wait so in the case of someone earning £800 per week, are you saying their fine would be:

£400 (50% of earnings) + £80 (40% of original fine) + £650?

I wouldn't in a court of law say the Policeman lied (although they frequently do).




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See post by AGTLAW (a well respected motoring lawyer) on Pistonheads where he says

The offence is made out when driving and holding a phone in your hand and using that phone.

- all three elements necessary.
The law actually says nothing about holding it in your hand; it defines what a hand-held device is and goes on to say that you mustn't use one whilst driving.

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Can I request what evidence they think they have?

Only if you do not take up the fixed penalty offer.  You will then be prosecuted in court and before you enter your plea you should be provided with the evidence the police will rely on to convict you. This will probably consist of a statement from the officer, saying what he saw you doing.

I think you need to ponder over this question:

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I may have looked down and fumble with my phone for a brief moment to turn of a reminder alarm

As southpaw has already asked, did you or didn't you? If you can't remember, you (and the court) may have to rely on the officer's evidence.

So basically your word against theirs, with theirs being taken as gospel unless you can prove otherwise?

What incentive does a person have not trying their luck contesting? If it falls against you in court, are their additional charges or points?
Also, what happens to lying officer if you prove you weren't doing what they accuse you of?

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Can I request their evidence?

What "letter" have you received? Is it a Notice of Intended Prosecution (NIP)? A Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP)? Or what?

As for evidence, you can request what you like but it's unlikely you'll get it unless you opt for a court hearing.

I think it's this one: "A Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP)?"

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