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Is this the sort of case where fixed penalty equivalent sentencing may be appropriate?
The guidance says '...where a penalty notice could not be offered or taken up for reasons unconnected with the offence itself, such as administrative difficulties outside the control of the offender, the starting point should be a fine equivalent to the amount of the penalty and no order of costs should be imposed.'

The sticky point is the 'difficulties' where within your control.  But don't ask, don't get.
The criterion is "reasons unconnected with the offence". Admin difficulties are simply quoted as an example.

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Dad's ethnic minority status cannot possibly explain this.

As certain politicians and newspapers have explained over the past few days, non-white people are actually treated favourably by our two-tier police service.

It is better for humanity if people learn to not take what these certain politicians and newspaper tell you as gospel and instead try and speak to these "non-whites" to hear their lived in experiences for a balanced view.
Sorry, my satire perhaps should have been labelled as such.

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Dad's ethnic minority status cannot possibly explain this.

As certain politicians and newspapers have explained over the past few days, non-white people are actually treated favourably by our two-tier police service.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP red light A240
« on: June 03, 2026, 09:45:25 am »
Thanks for the explanation. I now understand the nature of the offence, though the position of the rear wheels is not visible in the evidence. This scenario of a car fully or partially past the stop line when the light changes is quite common, I need to work out the correct action in any future case. And I have to admit that I can't see the sensors around the stop line on the Street View.
If you think the position of the rear wheels is relevant, then I'd suggest that you do not in fact "understand the nature of the offence".

As already explained, the offence is committed if any part of the vehicle crosses the line when prohibited.

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It is possible that the likelihood of a driver wearing dark clothing did not occur to anyone involved in the development of the system. But, I would suggest, rather unlikely.

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The Flame Pit / Re: Insurer not offering to renew
« on: June 01, 2026, 07:32:27 am »
Yes, you can rely on that.

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Even if there were such a law, they would not be "breaking their own law". Laws in this country are made by Parliament, not the police. So far.

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That presumption of delivery (presumably!) derives from the Interpretation Act.
You may wish to re-familiarise yourself with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act.
Thank you. Every day is a school day.

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Can you post up a copy of the PPN with personal details redacted but leave dates?
Issued on the 08-05-2026 Friday, presumed delivered two working days after Tuesday 12-05-2026.
That presumption of delivery (presumably!) derives from the Interpretation Act. But that applies only "Where an Act authorises or requires any document to be served by post". AFAIK there is no such Act in this case.

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https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!/
There is no mileage in questioning the calibration cert.

And you do NOT "normally get 10% + 2 MPH". The guideline of "10% plus 2" is actually the starting point for enforcement, i.e. you only "get" 10% plus 1mph.

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I can't remember driving down that road.I would have been in the area for about 5pm.



I mean it sounds very unlikely, but is it at all possible that the "camera clock" had not been updated to British Summer Time and was an hour behind?

And if it was, would it make a difference...
It's not at all unlikely, we see examples almost every time the clocks change.

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I suspect that your friend has not received a "fine" but an "Out-of-Court Settlement" offer.

As the name suggests, if he/she ignores or refuses the offer, the next step will be court. If he/she pleads not guilty and is convicted (which seems likely) the cost will almost certainly be much higher than the offer.

However, the quoted "fine" seems very high. I'd strongly suggest that your friend should post here direct, and give us the full story.

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With a clean licence, 3 points should have little or no effect on insurance.

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Unless you've attended a Speed Awareness course in the last three years, you'll be offered the option of that or a fixed penalty.



For 35 in a 20?

I think this will more likely be a summons.

You're right. I misread it as 35 in a 30.

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Unless you've attended a Speed Awareness course in the last three years, you'll be offered the option of that or a fixed penalty.

The latter is £100 and three points. The course will cost about the same, but with no points. It will take 3-4 hours of your time, and can usually be taken online.

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