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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: March 21, 2025, 02:20:58 pm »
Sorry youre right ive broken it up a bit

Assessor supporting rational for decision


In this case, I am not satisfied that the driver at the time in question has been identified. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper if the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators must follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver and by issuing the PCN to be received within the required timescale. In their appeal, the appellant has said the notice to keeper (NTK) issued does not comply with (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4, as it has failed to invite the keeper to pay. The appellant has said, while the NTK makes the driver’s liability clear, it does not alert the keeper that they may assume responsibility for the charge.

They have said the operator must adhere to the BPA Code of Practice Paragraph 21.11 and this states,

The NTK serves three purposes.

1. To invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge.

2. To invite the keeper to identify the driver if they were not the one driving.

3. To start the 28-day time period after which the driver may become liable to pay the unpaid parking charge. The appellant has also said the NTK also fails to identify the creditor clearly.

I do not agree with this. From the evidence provided, I can see that on the second page of the NTK it states, “You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protections of Freedom Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge in full. As we do not know the driver’s name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the name and current postal address of the driver and pass this notice to them”.

It also states, “You are warned that if, after 29 days from the date given (which is presumed to be the second working day after day after the Date Issued), the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you”.

I can also see that the NTK issued is addressed to Mr Nima Barani, and this is who is listed with the DVLA as being this vehicle's registered keeper. Therefore ‘you’ in the above statement refers to the registered keeper, Mr Nima Barani. The NTK also states it has been issued by Parking Eye. The Parking Eye logo is at the top of the first page of the NTK, and the website and address given relating to payment states it is Parking Eye the payment is for.

Therefore I am satisfied the name of the creditor is clear. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and it was issued to be delivered within the relevant period and therefore the parking operator has successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. POPLA is a single stage appeal service, we are impartial and independent of the sector. We consider the evidence provided by both parties to assess whether the PCN has been issued correctly by the parking operator and to determine if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park or site. Our remit only extends to allowing or refusing an appeal.

The signage in place sets out the terms and conditions. The signage at this site states there is a 90-minute maximum stay. It also states if the terms and conditions are breached a PCN for £90 can be issued. The parking operator has provided details from its system to show the appellants vehicle was on site for 2 hours and 45 minutes. I acknowledge the appellant has raised landowner authority in their appeal. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question.

This can come in the form of a witness statement under Section 23.16B of the BPA Code of Practice or a full contract. In this case the operator has provided a copy of its agreement with the landowner. This states Parking Eye Ltd has the authority to undertake parking management, control and enforcement at the sites listed and this list includes the site in question, Lidl Epsom. This is a letter of authority and therefore is not required to contain all of the details a contract would. From this, I am satisfied that the operator had sufficient authority at the site on the date of the parking event. I also acknowledge the appellant has said the signage on site is not sufficient.

When parking on private land, the parking contract is between the motorist and the operator through the terms on its signs. The driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is afforded the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the terms and conditions, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking. The signs do not need to be placed directly in the position where parked, they simply must be placed throughout the site so that drivers are given the chance to read them. Section 19.2 of the BPA Code of Practice states parking operators need to have entrance signs that make it clear a motorist is entering onto private land, and Section 19.3 says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms within the site. In this case the parking operator has provided a site map and images which shows there are signs situated throughout the site, including at the site entrance.

The evidence provided shows the entrance sign states, “PRIVATE LAND…controlled parking area…Terms & conditions apply, see notices for details”. I am satisfied that as a motorist passes this when entering the site, this is sufficient to make them aware they are entering private land and parking restrictions apply. It is then their responsibility to seek out the signage within the site to read the terms and conditions that apply. The terms on the signs within this site signs clearly state there is a 90-minute maximum stay. As it has not been shown otherwise, I am satisfied the terms were clearly demonstrated throughout the site at the time in question and that the driver was afforded the opportunity to read these.

I note the appellant has also said the NTK refers to a 14-day reduced payment period, but this is not a PoFA requirement and serves only to confuse the issue further. When a PCN is issued, the parking operator allows a period of time in which a reduced amount can be paid in settlement. This is because if prompt payment is made, the parking operator incurs less costs and they must reflect this in the charge amount. This is stated in Section 20.7 of the BPA Code of Practice, where is says, “If prompt payment is made (defined as 14 days from the issue of the parking charge notice) you must offer a reduced payment to reflect your reduced costs in collecting the charge. This reduction in cost must be by at least 40% of the full charge”.

Ultimately, it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure that the vehicle is parked in accordance with the terms and conditions of that site. After considering the evidence from both parties, the driver remained at the car park for longer than the stay authorised, and therefore they did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. Any questions relating to payment of the charge should be directed to the operator.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: March 21, 2025, 02:12:53 pm »
POPLA has come back rejected. Here is the case below

what would my next steps be?


Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal.
• The notice to keeper (NTK) does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4. Specifically it has failed to invite the keeper to pay. The absence of an explicit invitation to pay renders the NTK non-compliant, and as a result, the operator cannot establish keeper liability.
• The NTK also fails to identify the creditor clearly, which is another fundamental non-compliance with PoFA. Since the operator has not fulfilled the statutory requirements, keeper liability cannot be established, and the PCN is unenforceable against them as the registered keeper.
• There is a lack of landowner authority, and they have referred to the British Parking Association (BPA) Code of Practice, Section 7. They have detailed the information a landowner contract must contain.
• The signage at the location is inadequate and fails to meet the standards set by the BPA Code of Practice. The signs were not clearly visible from all parking bays or the entrance. The terms and conditions were not prominently displayed or legible. A motorist cannot be deemed to have entered into a contract if they are not made aware of the terms. After reviewing the operator’s evidence, the appellant has reiterated their case. They have said as the parking breach occurred on 29 September, the operator must adhere to the BPA Code of Practice Paragraph 21.11 in effect at that time. In this case the NTK issued by the operator fails to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. While the NTK makes the driver’s liability clear, it does not alert the keeper that they may assume responsibility for the charge. Additionally, the NTK refers to a 14-day reduced payment period, but this is not a PoFA requirement and serves only to confuse the issue further by failing to explicitly invite the keeper to pay the full charge after the 14-day period has passed. They request that their appeal is upheld, as the operator has failed to meet the mandatory standards required for transferring liability to the keeper.


Assessor supporting rational for decision


In this case, I am not satisfied that the driver at the time in question has been identified. The Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) 2012 is a law that allows parking operators to transfer the liability to the registered keeper if the driver or hirer is not identified. Parking operators must follow certain rules including warning the registered keeper that they will be liable if the parking operator is not provided with the name and address of the driver and by issuing the PCN to be received within the required timescale. In their appeal, the appellant has said the notice to keeper (NTK) issued does not comply with (PoFA) 2012, Schedule 4, as it has failed to invite the keeper to pay. The appellant has said, while the NTK makes the driver’s liability clear, it does not alert the keeper that they may assume responsibility for the charge. They have said the operator must adhere to the BPA Code of Practice Paragraph 21.11 and this states, The NTK serves three purposes. 1. To invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charge. 2. To invite the keeper to identify the driver if they were not the one driving. 3. To start the 28-day time period after which the driver may become liable to pay the unpaid parking charge. The appellant has also said the NTK also fails to identify the creditor clearly. I do not agree with this. From the evidence provided, I can see that on the second page of the NTK it states, “You are notified under paragraph 9(2)(b) of schedule 4 of the Protections of Freedom Act 2012 that the driver of the motor vehicle is required to pay this parking charge in full. As we do not know the driver’s name or current postal address, if you were not the driver at the time, you should tell us the name and current postal address of the driver and pass this notice to them”. It also states, “You are warned that if, after 29 days from the date given (which is presumed to be the second working day after day after the Date Issued), the parking charge has not been paid in full and we do not know both the name and current address of the driver, we have the right to recover any unpaid part of the parking charge from you”. I can also see that the NTK issued is addressed to Mr Nima Barani, and this is who is listed with the DVLA as being this vehicle's registered keeper. Therefore ‘you’ in the above statement refers to the registered keeper, Mr Nima Barani. The NTK also states it has been issued by Parking Eye. The Parking Eye logo is at the top of the first page of the NTK, and the website and address given relating to payment states it is Parking Eye the payment is for. Therefore I am satisfied the name of the creditor is clear. In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information and it was issued to be delivered within the relevant period and therefore the parking operator has successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper. POPLA is a single stage appeal service, we are impartial and independent of the sector. We consider the evidence provided by both parties to assess whether the PCN has been issued correctly by the parking operator and to determine if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park or site. Our remit only extends to allowing or refusing an appeal. The signage in place sets out the terms and conditions. The signage at this site states there is a 90-minute maximum stay. It also states if the terms and conditions are breached a PCN for £90 can be issued. The parking operator has provided details from its system to show the appellants vehicle was on site for 2 hours and 45 minutes. I acknowledge the appellant has raised landowner authority in their appeal. The British Parking Association (BPA) has a Code of Practice which set the standards its parking operators need to comply with. Section 7.1 of the BPA Code of Practice outlines that parking operators must have written authorisation from the landowner or their agent, to manage the land in question. This can come in the form of a witness statement under Section 23.16B of the BPA Code of Practice or a full contract. In this case the operator has provided a copy of its agreement with the landowner. This states Parking Eye Ltd has the authority to undertake parking management, control and enforcement at the sites listed and this list includes the site in question, Lidl Epsom. This is a letter of authority and therefore is not required to contain all of the details a contract would. From this, I am satisfied that the operator had sufficient authority at the site on the date of the parking event. I also acknowledge the appellant has said the signage on site is not sufficient. When parking on private land, the parking contract is between the motorist and the operator through the terms on its signs. The driver of the vehicle does not need to have read the terms and conditions of the contract to accept it. There is only the requirement that the driver is afforded the opportunity to read and understand the terms and conditions of the contract before accepting it. It is the driver’s responsibility to seek out the terms and conditions, and ensure they understand them, before agreeing to the contract and parking. The signs do not need to be placed directly in the position where parked, they simply must be placed throughout the site so that drivers are given the chance to read them. Section 19.2 of the BPA Code of Practice states parking operators need to have entrance signs that make it clear a motorist is entering onto private land, and Section 19.3 says parking operators need to have signs that clearly set out the terms within the site. In this case the parking operator has provided a site map and images which shows there are signs situated throughout the site, including at the site entrance. The evidence provided shows the entrance sign states, “PRIVATE LAND…controlled parking area…Terms & conditions apply, see notices for details”. I am satisfied that as a motorist passes this when entering the site, this is sufficient to make them aware they are entering private land and parking restrictions apply. It is then their responsibility to seek out the signage within the site to read the terms and conditions that apply. The terms on the signs within this site signs clearly state there is a 90-minute maximum stay. As it has not been shown otherwise, I am satisfied the terms were clearly demonstrated throughout the site at the time in question and that the driver was afforded the opportunity to read these. I note the appellant has also said the NTK refers to a 14-day reduced payment period, but this is not a PoFA requirement and serves only to confuse the issue further. When a PCN is issued, the parking operator allows a period of time in which a reduced amount can be paid in settlement. This is because if prompt payment is made, the parking operator incurs less costs and they must reflect this in the charge amount. This is stated in Section 20.7 of the BPA Code of Practice, where is says, “If prompt payment is made (defined as 14 days from the issue of the parking charge notice) you must offer a reduced payment to reflect your reduced costs in collecting the charge. This reduction in cost must be by at least 40% of the full charge”. Ultimately, it is the driver’s responsibility to ensure that the vehicle is parked in accordance with the terms and conditions of that site. After considering the evidence from both parties, the driver remained at the car park for longer than the stay authorised, and therefore they did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal. Any questions relating to payment of the charge should be directed to the operator.




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Thanks! Will now complete the N180 and email it addressed to both dq.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and Help@moorsidelegal.co.uk
 and CCd myself.

After this, wait for mediator hearing?


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Private parking tickets / Re: NCP Epsom Parking Charge
« on: March 07, 2025, 12:27:06 am »
oh okay thank you. are you always meant to assume + 2 working days from the day of sending?


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Private parking tickets / NCP Epsom Parking Charge
« on: March 06, 2025, 10:03:08 pm »
Hi. I think this is POFA compliant can someone double check please.
If so, what would my defence be?

date of incident was 17/2
date of sending was 28/2 but I received it on 5/3

so I assume I cant use the 14 day notice reason?

https://imgur.com/a/ke8erGs

Thanks

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Received claim today dated 30/1 ------ https://imgur.com/a/xs20HwG

I will acknowledge the claim with MCOL on the 5th day

I will be using this template as well https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6108153/suggested-template-defence-to-adapt-for-all-parking-charge-cases-where-they-add-false-admin-costs/p1

What else can I add?

also i should say that I have had a few PCNs from NCP over the last year which all have been cancelled but I'm not sure if this can be used against me? (around 30-40 in the past year..  :-X )

Thanks

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: January 12, 2025, 09:25:59 pm »
Thanks will see how it goes

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: January 06, 2025, 11:41:48 am »
Hi all

Please see ParkingEye's response.

https://imgur.com/a/YZ8pwAd

My original appeal regarding no keeper liability i dont think it stands as it seems ok from the first ntk?


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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: December 18, 2024, 09:17:11 pm »
how does something like this sound? I was thinking of adding lack of land authority as welL?

I am writing in response to the operator's evidence regarding the above-referenced Parking Charge Notice (PCN). I wish to reaffirm my appeal on the basis that the Notice to Keeper (NtK) is non-compliant with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), specifically Schedule 4, Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). As a result, keeper liability cannot be established.

While the operator asserts general compliance with PoFA, such assertions are insufficient. The law requires full compliance with all PoFA requirements for liability to transfer to the registered keeper. Partial or substantial compliance does not meet this threshold. In this case, the NtK falls short of the statutory standard.

Paragraph 9(2)(e) of PoFA specifies that the NtK must:
“state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper... to pay the unpaid parking charges” (as per subparagraph (i)).

A critical requirement of this provision is the explicit need to "invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges." This is not optional; it is a clear legislative directive. While the use of the word "invite" is not mandatory, the NtK must include equivalent language that conveys an unmistakable invitation to pay. Merely informing the keeper of the charge or providing payment methods does not satisfy this requirement.

In this instance, the operator’s NtK fails to explicitly invite me, as the keeper, to pay the charges. Instead, it merely provides information about the charge. This omission is a direct breach of Paragraph 9(2)(e)(i) and renders the NtK non-compliant.

The operator may point to compliance with other parts of PoFA, such as Paragraph 9(2)(b) regarding the specified amount of the charge. However, compliance with certain sections does not excuse non-compliance with others. Full adherence to all relevant provisions is required to establish keeper liability. The operator’s failure to address this fundamental non-compliance undermines their claim of PoFA adherence.

As the NtK does not meet the statutory requirements of PoFA, the operator cannot lawfully establish keeper liability. Consequently, this PCN is unenforceable against me as the registered keeper.

I respectfully urge the POPLA assessor to carefully review this specific point of non-compliance. The explicit invitation to pay is not a trivial detail but a crucial legal requirement. Overlooking this omission would result in an incorrect assessment of the operator’s adherence to PoFA.

For these reasons, I kindly request that my appeal be upheld and the PCN cancelled.


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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: December 02, 2024, 02:16:58 pm »
see below

Dear,

I am writing to formally appeal Parking Charge Notice [PCN Reference Number], issued on [Date of Issue] for vehicle registration [Vehicle Registration Number].

This notice does not comply with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4). As it does not meet the conditions necessary for keeper liability, I, as the registered keeper, am not liable for this charge. I therefore request that you cancel this PCN.

If you choose not to cancel, please provide a POPLA code so I may escalate this matter for independent review.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.


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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: December 02, 2024, 02:12:54 pm »
ok i dont have the original letter. what would the next steps be ....

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Private parking tickets / Re: Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: December 01, 2024, 06:25:45 pm »
Ah i missed that that was the reminder letter. I may have appealed based on the reminder letter but I need to have a look for the original. I have attached their reason for rejection in that link.

I will get back to you tomorrow with the original NtK

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Private parking tickets / Parkingeye no keeper liability
« on: December 01, 2024, 05:54:53 pm »
Hi, this is PCN is now going to POPLA but I just want to confirm before I send the application to them. Am I correct in saying that this notice does not comply with the requirements of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) ?

Driver overstayed.

Thanks

https://imgur.com/a/9TpoKFy



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Yeah I cant seem to find the original letter. Can i request the letter to be resent?

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This was the email I sent them
Quote
You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.



There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.


Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.


I've just had a look through my emails and they did respond but I must have missed it. It asks to go through POPLA but this was back in May. Is this possible or too late? Also, I sent them another 5 or 6 emails after this time asking for a resolution but they never said that they had already sent me an email regarding that.

https://imgur.com/a/zmqSWPg


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