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My initial starting point of this thread was obviously way past the point of the due diligence I’d tried to do to identify the driver so that was the reason for not putting point by point info in that regard.
As no location or north or south bound info given it made it difficult to identify where along the journey it was.
Journey starts and Driver gets to a destination along the route, exits the vehicle and one of the other passengers then drives. Therefore Different points along the route would be different driver. (That is where the importance of the whereabouts comes in) and then Different drivers different days on the same journey.
Remembering who it was is exacerbated by the fact that this journey is done multiple times a day every day so using this analogy of this scenario you and your wife put the bins out, randomly one does it randomly the other and there is no diary as to which bin which day you do this week in week out, it’s a repeat of mundane thing you do all the time, can you recall who put the bins out 6weeks ago?

But this thread started out as a question over video evidence which I still don’t understand why the police withhold such information and I thought that is what disclosure requests were for.…

Ok so no phone calls were made or received within that timeframe as for data used the records show times of 00.31 9.31 or 15.31 then a repeat of 00.57 10.57 for a few days and then it changes to .58 etc etc obviously im not using my phone at those exact minutes every time so doesn’t prove or disprove usage. Other drivers are on the same network so data usage recorded on the bill in the same way just different repeated times.

Ok so my mistake and obvious mistrust in policing is that I felt they would try to catch me out by sending a picture that didn’t identify any driver but you are saying in fact would have been the best picture they had.
 I didn’t realise I’d be accused of failing to identify when I was actually trying to identify by asking to see the video.
I thought it would be a case of asking to see the video once the process had started and then being able to identify the driver and plead either way.

But we genuinely didn’t know who was driving at that point with the little they gave us. They didn’t even say where on a 3 mile stretch of road. I couldn’t even tell whether it was north or south bound journey.

How does the court process work? Do I submit witness statements? Do I provide all phone records?but if its only about the failure to identify these would no longer be relevant …. and I have very little to argue then other than what I thought I was doing was trying to carry on the process to be able to see the video to identify the driver…..  Do I get to speak to prosecution prior? Would they be open to discuss? I’ve totally not understood this procedure at all.

So I received a notice requesting driver details saying my vehicle had been recorded by another road user with the driver using their mobile phone.
I requested the video as without them I couldn’t identify the driver, they sent still images taken from the video but because of the angle they were taken it was a partial hand and phone only visible.
I sent an email saying I couldn’t see who the driver was from the images and they said they would transfer my case to magistrates court.
I received the SJPN notice last week with the statement from the other road user that recorded my vehicle, no description of the driver, and I’ve asked for the video evidence to enable me to make a plea.
They have refused.
What happens now?
I’ve obviously got to make a plea - and they’ve put not disclosing driver details as well as the using mobile device charge.
Any help is much appreciated

Many thanks that info is much appreciated

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/id/ukpga/1980/43

That link isn’t really that helpful unfortunately as it in no way relates to what I was trying to get you to explain from your words in your post.
If you do have the time please can you let me know what is the necessary paperwork that must be issued within 6 months of the alleged offence.

Or if anyone else can help with that question it would be much appreciated.

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The court ruled that, providing there was no reason to make a subsequent request (because, for example, the police had been given a wrong address for the keeper) the first request determines the date by which proceedings must be taken.

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So you actually have details of the NIP and s172 request which was sent to you including when was it dated?

Perfect
I am the registered keeper and the bundle of paperwork I’ve been provided by the court has my correct address and has the date of the NIP sent on the 12/04/2023

When you say proceedings must begin - I have a document ‘postal requisition’ which is dated 11/12/2023
Then I have a SJPN with a postal date of 16/01/2024 and written on there underneath the FtF is charge date of 10/01/2024

So what date and what document means ‘proceedings have begun’

Thankyou
So am I right in thinking that that then means the the offence being committed in May, the Postal requisition dated 11/12/23 is outside of the 6 month window?

The S172 request for information was sent 12/04/23