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Sure, wasn't sure how much to redact

Here are the particulars

Penalty Charge Notice No.  HR76917592
Vehicle Registration Mark  WO06LME
Date of this Notice  21/04/2025

From what I'm hearing the approach to take is essentially: the signage is unclear

How do we best log this in the initial challenge? What extra detail should be included?

Here's the form - is it a case of challenging on the grounds: The alleged contravention did not occur or The relevant designation order was invalid

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I've been following Bustagate's appeal (Appeal 2250053451), which is pending an adjudicator decision next Tues 29th April 2025 and took his key points and then ran it through Perplexity to provide some supporting citations. Pls see attached. If he is successful then it is likely this approach will work. Keen to get your thoughts and next steps. 


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Thanks!

This is not a bus lane! You have entered the wrong details. It is a bus gate and their website is ok re this contravention.

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The images are flattened too.  2240515018

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I see they are attending. I wouldn't mind observing.  ;)

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Keep all receipts. Wait for the Order for Recovery and tick the appropriate box. Sign it in front of a solicitor or court officer.

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Representation Reason
A -  The alleged Contravention did not occur
B I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time of contravention
-  I had sold the vehicle before that date
-  I had bought the vehicle after that date
-  I have never owned that vehicle
C -  The vehicle was taken without my consent
D -  We are a hire firm and have supplied details
E -  The Penalty Charge exceeds the relevant amount
F -  There has been a procedural impropriety by the Enforcement Authority
G -  The traffic order contravened is invalid
H -  The Notice should not have been served because the Penalty Charge had already been paid

I -  Other

As usual. Please screenshot this.

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2240378030 and 2230339702. The crucial issue is their rather dated evidence. Looking at other case results is, as they say in Spanish, sometimes a "falso amigo". One never knows what the evidence is.

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Preparing a jingle: ABBA "Money, money, money". Have the mannequin, PR system etc ready.

I drive all night, I drive all day to pay the bills I have to.  That it be.

Every street and every road there seems to be a camera____fixed on me.

A ticket comes in the post. I change colour like a ghost.

I didn't see he signs were there but certainly it's very clear to me____

Councils want your money, It's not funny, Want your money now!

Please sign my petition, 'gainst perdition, It's a right cash cow.

Cameras are hidden___always spying on your very number plate___

Councils want your money, every route they can.
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They are administratively challenged at present. In one of the ones won the other day they were at sea in this regard. Keep checking the website.

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We have won three: Two I did and MadMick Redux the other.

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@Dukewood Well, I would let sleeping dogs lie as they are now beyond "unconscionable delay" territory. BTW they seem to attend all hearings these days for many contraventions. I wonder why.  :D

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We need the VRM and PCN details.

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Just send in your points about the signage and my draft.

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Hey Dawn

Unfortunately I'm in the same boat as you and got one today for this location (My PCN from Camrose Ave)

I've had a look around on the forum and looks like the signage may not be compliant.

What's your take in this? Have you found anything else regarding the current tribunal - if that's successful we can certainly lean on that.

Thanks and good luck!

Dan
I am available to help.

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