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Yes. Same place, same car, same app, same account, a month or two prior. And all of the signage around the carpark and at the entrance to the hospital explicitly promotes use of the app to autopay for parking.

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Rear:

https://postimg.cc/N2XhtdSN


It seems that the phrase

"If you appeal to POPLA... the charge value will increase" should not be allowed as extortive?

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It will good to know if this one can realistically be avoided?

The last day to pay at the lower fee is the day after tomorrow, so if the forum thinks I have no hope, then I'd rather pay the lower fee of course. If you think it's worth holding out, though, I will do so. That's my intention.

I haven't yet appealed. Should I appeal through ParkingEye first? I fully expect that to be rejected, but then I can escalate my appeal to BPA, presumably?

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Here is the PCN sent in the post to the Keeper.

https://postimg.cc/NLCWHbCg

I do not have an photo of the carpark signage, but I can get one tomorrow if needed. The signage encourages the use of the Evology app.

Editing to add screenshot of a WhatsApp message sent to the official Evology WhatsApp account on Wednesday last week, 13 May.

https://postimg.cc/LhHpfNtw

Automatic reply at the time:

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"Thank you for your message. We will pass this on to our to our customer service team. Please note you may not receive an instant response, but we will respond as soon as we can."

No response received 5 days on.

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I did a quick search before posting, and I have just scanned again. The other Evology cases don't appear to be the same as mine.

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Here is the PCN sent in the post to the Keeper.

https://postimg.cc/NLCWHbCg

I do not have an photo of the carpark signage, but I can get one tomorrow if needed. The signage encourages the use of the Evology app.

Editing to add screenshot of a WhatsApp message sent to the official Evology WhatsApp account on Wednesday last week, 13 May.

https://postimg.cc/LhHpfNtw

Automatic reply at the time:

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"Thank you for your message. We will pass this on to our to our customer service team. Please note you may not receive an instant response, but we will respond as soon as we can."

No response received 5 days on.

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A PCN has been received in the mail by the registered keeper, despite the driver having an active account with Evology and having used that same parking area successfully just a few weeks previously. No payment was taken, and the PCN was sent a couple of weeks after the parking event, and received one week after the listed Date Issued.

No other notifications were sent in the app or by email to the App account holder to inform that payment had failed to be collected or other such notification/warning/guidance.

I can follow up with relevant documents/images, etc. if needed. But first, I wanted to ask if it is best to submit an appeal through ParkingEye first, or just not bother? Given that I think these are just automatically rejected at this point anyway, and in submitting the appeal, one has to identify oneself as the driver...

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Uploading these again because the link expired. Please advise.

https://ibb.co/prdbwCY4
https://ibb.co/G3VQF8gj

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Here is the hosted image of the letter.

https://postimg.cc/Ny8H7mTh

On the reverse are some payment instructions and the like.

https://postimg.cc/VdBPwNj5

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Just a brief update here to keep track of events.

Approx. 5 months has passed since the last letter from Trace, and today a new letter from a new company arrived. This time Moorside Legal with the heading Letter Before Claim.

Same amount being pursued, with the following closing paragraph:

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Acting now will prevent additional charges, legal fees, and interest from increasing your debt. Should we receive further instructions from our client before a claim is issued, these will be added to the debt and updated on our portal.

There is a link to their online portal, which we have not yet accessed.

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Updating on this case.

Another identical reminder about the charge was received a week or so ago. There was no change in the amount, nor anything else of note, so this was ignored just as the notices that came before it.

Today, a letter was received (body attached) informing that the collection agent will be instructing the client to begin legal proceedings.

I know the advice above was to wait for a Letter of Claim, but should anything be done in response to this preliminary missive?

In the letter, the refer to the following points as the grounds for taking legal action:

• Have you paid?
• Have you contacted us? (i)
• Did you unsuccessfully appeal a parking charge using the POPLA or IAS appeals systems? (ii)
• Evidence of the original parking charge
• [...] attempts to contact you (i)
• Existing case law

i) Obviously they have attempted to make contact, and no response has been sent on the advice of this forum.

ii) There were no appeals made through any mechanism/system. As a reminder, this is because the person driving on the day of the parking event lost the windscreen notice. By the time a notice was sent in the mail to the keeper, the first window for appeal had been missed, and the enforcer's website asserted that the same window applied for the Keeper and had as such been missed. The website therefore allowed no way of submitting the appeal. Moreover, attempts to appeal via BPA are rejected if no appeal has first been made to the parking company.

Just want to check, since a few weeks have passed since the last update, that the advice at this stage is still to wait.

Thanks!

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Thanks, b789.

1. Not so much 'unclear' as previously unstated. The previous commented had said to wait until a Letter of Claim is received. I was asking who might send such a letter.

2. To be clear, I was not suggesting that any advice received from this forum would lead to a CCJ. I was asking if the Letter of Claim was a step that would lead to a CCJ.

I do have some understanding of how a person might get a CCJ, because I had one myself from a parking ticket, and following advice on this forum, I was able to go to court and have it removed.

However, in that case, all correspondence leading up to the CCJ was sent to a different address and never received by me, so I effectively leapfrogged a few steps in the usual process and had to act after the fact, re: the CCJ.

In this current case, I am not directly involved with the charge or parking event at all. I am here to help out another, having found the forum so helpful last time. So I want to be sure I don't misunderstand or misrepresent anything. Hence my questions there.

Thanks again for the clarification, and rest assured, I respect and trust the advice given here.


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Thank you. Noted.

Just so that I understand, are the following correct assumptions about the Letter of Claim?

1. It will be sent by the debt collector's legal representation?
2. It will be notice of legal action, potentially leading to a CCJ?

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Good day.

A letter has now been received from a debt collection agency, in this case Trace.

I am attaching the letter, but the content informs that the debt has been passed on to the agency, the charge now includes additional fees, and the deadline for payment is 14 days.

Note: with these additional fees (in accordance with the code of practice, according to the letter) the charge is now £170.

Note also: the deadline is given as 14 days from the date of the letter. The letter is dated 23 July, but it was received this morning, 1 August, such that 9 days have passed already.

Brief reminder, as this thread has been dormant for a few weeks.

1. Car was parked in a spot within a carpark where the driver had a fully current and properly displayed permit, however this spot in particular was designated for guests who had booked online.
2. A NtD was affixed to the window, but the driver lost this.
3. Initially, it appeared that the parking operator was not a member of either ATA. Considering this and that the ticket was lost, no appeal was made to the operator. It was later found that the operator is indeed an authorised member of the IPC but the website had apparently been out of date.
4. An NtK was sent to the keeper's address. Upon trying to appeal, the website informed that no appeal could be submitted as the window for appeal had lapsed during the first 28 days, the period before the NtK had been received.
5. To date, no appeals have been submitted.
6. Today's letter arrived.

Please advise how to proceed.

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Yes. The NTK explicitly states that “you as the keeper also had the right to appeal during the 28 days following the NtD” (my paraphrasing, I’ll copy the precise language later.)

And then initiating the appeal online with the case number reiterates this.

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