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What efforts have they made over the last 5+ years to prosecute* this matter?

* continue with (a course of action) with a view to its completion.

6 years is not a target, it's a ceiling

Thank you. I will get my friend to send the SAR.

I will wait to closer to the 30 days mark and send in response using this template from another poster and also ask for pictures of the signage.




Respond to DCB legal at info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself as follows:

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By email to: info@dcblegal.co.uk

[Your Name]
[Your Address]

[Date]

Dear Sirs,

Re: Letter of Claim dated | Your Response dated [Insert Date]

I write further to your correspondence in reply to my email dated .

Regrettably, your response is entirely unsatisfactory and falls materially short of your obligations under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC).

Contrary to the requirements of Paragraph 5.1 and Annex 1 of the Protocol, your response to my legitimate and reasonable questions was vague, evasive, and non-specific. I remind you that one of the key aims of the PAPDC is to promote early engagement and exchange of information to avoid unnecessary litigation. Your failure to provide proper clarification frustrates that purpose and may amount to unreasonable conduct.

In particular:

1. Debt Recovery Surcharge:

You have failed to provide a specific contractual or legal basis for the £70 add-on per PCN. Simply stating that “you would have been made aware of this through signage” is both insufficient and misleading. You have also failed to identify whether this is a genuine third-party cost or simply a fictitious uplift to profit from litigation. The claim that this charge "does not include any VAT" fails to address whether it should, and whether it has been accounted for correctly in line with HMRC regulations, particularly if no third party has been paid.

2. Nature of the Principal Sum:

You confirm that the parking charges are pleaded as damages for breach of contract, yet elsewhere in the same letter you assert that a contract was formed by the act of parking, implying a fee for service. This internal inconsistency raises further questions as to the legal basis upon which the claim is brought.

3. Chronology and Status of Notices:

You assert that Notices to Keeper were sent between 2019 and 2020. You also claim the reminders stated that legal action “may be taken.” However, you fail to explain the reason for the substantial delay between those notices and your current Letter of Claim in 2025, which appears designed to aggregate and inflate claims that should have been addressed contemporaneously.

Moreover, you imply that this matter is now urgent, yet your client took no action for over four years. If a claim is issued, I reserve the right to raise arguments of abuse of process and/or cause of action estoppel.

4. Inaccurate and Misleading Statements:

Your letter contains inconsistencies regarding the quantum of the alleged debt. The fact that the three PCNs in question carry different base sums (£70 for one and £100 for two), yet all have a uniform £70 surcharge, further demonstrates the arbitrary nature of the added fees and the lack of transparency in your calculations.

Final Warning

If you are unable or unwilling to provide a full and accurate response to the questions I have raised, in compliance with the PAPDC, I will have no hesitation in bringing this conduct to the attention of the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA). The use of mendacious and boilerplate tactics to pressure payment of questionable debts raises serious concerns under the SRA Principles and Code of Conduct, in particular:

• Principle 1: Upholding the rule of law and the proper administration of justice;
• Principle 2: Acting with integrity; and
• Principle 5: Acting in a way that encourages equality, diversity and inclusion, particularly in matters involving vulnerable parties or long-outstanding claims.

Please treat this letter as a formal notification that your response is non-compliant with the Pre-Action Protocol and that further failures may be referred to the appropriate regulatory authorities. I also reserve the right to present this correspondence to the court, should your client pursue proceedings.

Yours faithfully,

Quote from: Fazzy on May 09, 2025, 01:32:00 pm

...or should we expect the court letter and get ready to defend?

Yes.

They are raising claims - there's an active one in the forum currently...

You state the NtK wasn't PoFA compliant - how, exactly?

I just went by others post from around that time and hoped for the best as we didn't have PCN to hand when my friend asked for help following the DCBL letters. They have now sent a copy of the initial PCN though with their latest response. https://ibb.co/XxSV8k7g

Thanks Incandescent.

Here's the map view of the location.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cz2uYy4nZPfmwc7n7

I've seen @2Noobie 's post regarding same location and they've received the camera authorisation letter. Does that make things harder to challenge?

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-bus-lane-a406-n-circular-w-bnd-chequers-way-green-lanes/msg36146/#msg36146

Dear All,

Please could I have some advice regarding this TFL bus route pcn received. I will try and get the video requested on Monday but in the mean time please advise if this camera is approved or can it be appealed depending on the camera used? Thank you.


Please see scanned pdf of the the whole pcn
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nsogm2tnu5ljz7blh87o6/a406.pdf?rlkey=zld0ro4ha0p7do7f5rverrlju&st=xjeq3iuw&dl=0

I forgot about this PCN till I received a Charge certificate today. I am on the phone to TFL at the moment - The letter of rejection never reached me.  I've been advised to call Tribunals on 0207 5207200 to see if they will accept a late appeal. if not then I'm to wait for order of recovery and select rejection letter not received to reset.

The lady on the phone read the rejection letter - it stated they cant cancel as they've viewed my car entering at 16.44 till 16.45 while the exit wasn't clear.

@cp8759 - I will try my best to upload the full video on youtube/vimeo. I just have to set up my ancient laptop that supports CDs to be able to do that.

@MrChips - My car was the black Toyota Yaris.

Please let me know if this popla appeal look ok? Thank you.

Dear POPLA Adjudicator,

I am the registered keeper of vehicle xxxxxxx and am appealing a parking charge from Civil Enforcements on the following points:

1.   A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply
2.   The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge
3.   No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice
4.   Inadequate signage.
 
1.   A compliant Notice to Keeper was never served - no Keeper Liability can apply.

Although Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms ACT 2012 (POFA) potentially gives a creditor the right to recover any unpaid paring charges from a vehicles keeper, this right is strictly subject to statutory conditions being met by the operator, without which the right to ‘keeper liability’ does not exist.
The operators Notice to Keeper fails to comply with Schedule 4 as below:
It fails to comply with paragragh 9(2)(e)
9(1)A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.
(2)The notice must— (e)state that the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper—
(i)to pay the unpaid parking charges; or
(ii)if the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver;

The notice to keeper is non compliant as the incorrect format for (e) has been used. There is no invitation to the keeper to pay the charge
2.   The operator has not shown that the individual who it is pursuing is in fact the driver who was liable for the charge

In cases with a keeper appellant, yet no POFA 'keeper liability' to rely upon, POPLA must first consider whether they are confident that the Assessor knows who the driver is, based on the evidence received. No presumption can be made about liability whatsoever. A vehicle can be driven by any person (with the consent of the owner) as long as the driver is insured. There is no dispute that the driver was entitled to drive the car and I can confirm that they were, but I am exercising my right not to name that person.

Where a charge is aimed only at a driver then, of course, no other party can be told to pay. I am the appellant throughout (as I am entitled to be), and as there has been no admission regarding who was driving, and no evidence has been produced, it has been held by POPLA on numerous occasions, that a parking charge cannot be enforced against a keeper without a valid NTK.

As the keeper of the vehicle, it is my right to choose not to name the driver, yet still not be lawfully held liable if an operator is not using or complying with Schedule 4. This applies regardless of when the first appeal was made because the fact remains I am only the keeper and ONLY Schedule 4 of the POFA (or evidence of who was driving) can cause a keeper appellant to be deemed to be the liable party.

The burden of proof rests with the Operator, because they cannot use the POFA in this case, to show that (as an individual) I have personally not complied with terms in place on the land and show that I am personally liable for their parking charge. They cannot.

Furthermore, the vital matter of full compliance with the POFA 2012 was confirmed by parking law expert barrister, Henry Greenslade, the previous POPLA Lead Adjudicator, in 2015:

Understanding keeper liability
“There appears to be continuing misunderstanding about Schedule 4. Provided certain conditions are strictly complied with, it provides for recovery of unpaid parking charges from the keeper of the vehicle.

There is no ‘reasonable presumption’ in law that the registered keeper of a vehicle is the driver. Operators should never suggest anything of the sort. Further, a failure by the recipient of a notice issued under Schedule 4 to name the driver, does not of itself mean that the recipient has accepted that they were the driver at the material time. Unlike, for example, a Notice of Intended Prosecution where details of the driver of a vehicle must be supplied when requested by the police, pursuant to Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act 1988, a keeper sent a Schedule 4 notice has no legal obligation to name the driver. [...] If {POFA 2012 Schedule 4 is} not complied with then keeper liability does not generally pass.''

Therefore, no lawful right exists to pursue unpaid parking charges from myself as keeper of the vehicle, where an operator is NOT attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.

This exact finding was made in 6061796103 against ParkingEye in September 2016, where POPLA Assessor Carly Law found:

''I note the operator advises that it is not attempting to transfer the liability for the charge using the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and so in mind, the operator continues to hold the driver responsible. As such, I must first consider whether I am confident that I know who the driver is, based on the evidence received. After considering the evidence, I am unable to confirm that the appellant is in fact the driver. As such, I must allow the appeal on the basis that the operator has failed to demonstrate that the appellant is the driver and therefore liable for the charge. As I am allowing the appeal on this basis, I do not need to consider the other grounds of appeal raised by the appellant. Accordingly, I must allow this appeal.''

3.   No evidence of Landowner Authority - the operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with the BPA Code of Practice

As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the land then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner.
 The contract and any 'site agreement' or 'User Manual' setting out details including exemptions - such as any 'genuine customer' or 'genuine resident' exemptions or any site occupier's 'right of veto' charge cancellation rights - is key evidence to define what this operator is authorised to do and any circumstances where the landowner/firms on site in fact have a right to cancellation of a charge.
It cannot be assumed, just because an agent is contracted to merely put some signs up and issue Parking Charge Notices, that the agent is also authorised to make contracts with all or any category of visiting drivers and/or to enforce the charge in court in their own name (legal action regarding land use disputes generally being a matter for a landowner only).

Witness statements are not sound evidence of the above, often being pre-signed, generic documents not even identifying the case in hand or even the site rules. A witness statement might in some cases be accepted by POPLA but in this case I suggest it is unlikely to sufficiently evidence the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement.
Nor would it define vital information such as charging days/times, any exemption clauses, grace periods (which I believe may be longer than the bare minimum times set out in the BPA CoP) and basic information such as the land boundary and bays where enforcement applies/does not apply. Not forgetting evidence of the various restrictions which the landowner has authorised can give rise to a charge and of course, how much the landowner authorises this agent to charge (which cannot be assumed to be the sum in small print on a sign because template private parking terms and sums have been known not to match the actual landowner agreement).

Paragraph 7 of the BPA CoP defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance:

7.2 If the operator wishes to take legal action on any outstanding parking charges, they must ensure that they have the written authority of the landowner (or their appointed agent) prior to legal action being taken.

7.3 The written authorisation must also set out:

a) the definition of the land on which you may operate, so that the boundaries of the land can be clearly defined

b) any conditions or restrictions on parking control and enforcement operations, including any restrictions on hours of operation

c) any conditions or restrictions on the types of vehicles that may, or may not, be subject to parking control and enforcement

d) who has the responsibility for putting up and maintaining signs

e) the definition of the services provided by each party to the agreement
 
3. The signs in this car park are not prominent, clear or legible from all parking spaces and there is insufficient notice of the sum of the parking charge itself

There was no contract nor agreement on the 'parking charge' at all. It is submitted that the driver did not have a fair opportunity to read about any terms involving this huge charge, which is out of all proportion and not saved by the dissimilar 'ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis' case.

In the Beavis case, which turned on specific facts relating only to the signs at that site and the unique interests and intentions of the landowners, the signs were unusually clear and not a typical example for this notorious industry. The Supreme Court were keen to point out the decision related to that car park and those facts only.

In the Beavis case, the £85 charge itself was in the largest font size with a contrasting colour background and the terms were legible, fairly concise and unambiguous. There were 'large lettering' signs at the entrance and all around the car park, according to the Judges.

This case, by comparison, does not demonstrate an example of the 'large lettering' and 'prominent signage' that impressed the Supreme Court Judges and swayed them into deciding that in the specific car park in the Beavis case alone, a contract and 'agreement on the charge' existed.

Here, the signs are unremarkable, not immediately obvious as parking terms and the wording is mostly illegible, being crowded and cluttered with a lack of white space as a background. It is indisputable that placing letters too close together in order to fit more information into a smaller space can drastically reduce the legibility of a sign, especially one which must be read BEFORE the action of parking and leaving the car.

It is vital to observe, since 'adequate notice of the parking charge' is mandatory under the POFA Schedule 4 and the BPA Code of Practice, these signs do not clearly mention the parking charge which is hidden in small print. Areas of this site are unsigned and there are no full terms displayed - i.e. with the sum of the parking charge itself in large lettering - at the entrance either, so it cannot be assumed that a driver drove past and could read a legible sign, nor parked near one.

This case is more similar to the signage in POPLA decision 5960956830 on 2.6.16, where the Assessor Rochelle Merritt found as fact that signs in a similar size font in a busy car park where other unrelated signs were far larger, was inadequate:

''The signage is not of a good enough size to afford motorists the chance to read and understand the terms and conditions before deciding to remain in the car park. [...] In addition the operators signs would not be clearly visible from a parking space [...] The appellant has raised other grounds for appeal but I have not dealt with these as I have allowed the appeal.''

From the evidence I have seen so far, the terms appear to be displayed inadequately, in letters no more than about half an inch high, approximately. I put the operator to strict proof as to the size of the wording on their signs and the size of lettering for the most onerous term, the parking charge itself.

''When designing your sign, consider how you will be using it, as well as how far away the readers you want to impact will be. For example, if you are placing a sales advertisement inside your retail store, your text only needs to be visible to the people in the store. 1-2” letters (or smaller) would work just fine. However, if you are hanging banners and want drivers on a nearby highway to be able to see them, design your letters at 3” or even larger.''

''When designing an outdoor sign for your business keep in mind the readability of the letters. Letters always look smaller when mounted high onto an outdoor wall''.

''...a guideline for selecting sign letters. Multiply the letter height by 10 and that is the best viewing distance in feet. Multiply the best viewing distance by 4 and that is the max viewing distance.''

So, a letter height of just half an inch, showing the terms and the 'charge' and placed high on a wall or pole or buried in far too crowded small print, is woefully inadequate in an outdoor car park. Given that letters look smaller when high up on a wall or pole, as the angle renders the words less readable due to the perspective and height, you would have to stand right in front of it and still need a stepladder (and perhaps a torch and/or magnifying glass) to be able to read the terms.

Under Lord Denning's Red Hand Rule, the charge (being 'out of all proportion' with expectations of drivers in this car park and which is the most onerous of terms) should have been effectively: 'in red letters with a red hand pointing to it' - i.e. VERY clear and prominent with the terms in large lettering, as was found to be the case in the car park in 'Beavis'. A reasonable interpretation of the 'red hand rule' and the 'signage visibility distance' tables above and the BPA Code of Practice, taking all information into account, would require a parking charge and the terms to be displayed far more transparently, on a lower sign and in far larger lettering, with fewer words and more 'white space' as background contrast. Indeed in the Consumer Rights Act 2015 there is a 'Requirement for transparency':

(1) A trader must ensure that a written term of a consumer contract, or a consumer notice in writing, is transparent.
(2) A consumer notice is transparent for the purposes of subsection (1) if it is expressed in plain and intelligible language and it is legible.

The Beavis case signs not being similar to the signs in this appeal at all, I submit that the persuasive case law is in fact 'Vine v London Borough of Waltham Forest [2000] EWCA Civ 106' about a driver not seeing the terms and consequently, she was NOT deemed bound by them.

This judgment is binding case law from the Court of Appeal and supports my argument, not the operator's case.

This was a victory for the motorist and found that, where terms on a sign are not seen and the area is not clearly marked/signed with prominent terms, the driver has not consented to - and cannot have 'breached' - an unknown contract because there is no contract capable of being established. The driver in that case (who had not seen any signs/lines) had NOT entered into a contract. The recorder made a clear finding of fact that the plaintiff, Miss Vine, did not see a sign because the area was not clearly marked as 'private land' and the signs were obscured/not adjacent to the car and could not have been seen and read from a driver's seat before parking.
So, for this appeal, I put this operator to strict proof of where the car was parked and (from photos taken in the same lighting conditions) how their signs appeared on that date, at that time, from the angle of the driver's perspective. Equally, I require this operator to show how the entrance signs appear from a driver's seat, not stock examples of 'the sign' in isolation/close-up. I submit that full terms simply cannot be read from a car before parking and mere 'stock examples' of close-ups of the (alleged) signage terms will not be sufficient to disprove this.

That was the appeal to CE. Popla appeal yet to be sent.