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Poor advice here.

The 'private road' argument is baseless in this case, as long as the mouth is 'maintained' / has road markings a box junction can be in place. The adjudicator doesn't know or care how the video has arrived (the administrators will have downloaded it if only a link was sent).

This cost me a lot more that it needed to (in time and grief too) - I got a charge certificate added on top of the double fine - since I was expecting a new link to pay the higher amount. £195 instead of the £65 if I'd just paid the fine. 

Adjudicator's Reasons
At this scheduled personal hearing the Appellant attended in person.
The Enforcement Authority did not attend and were not represented.
Under Paragraph 11(1) in Part 7 of Schedule 9 to the Traffic Signs Regulations and General
Directions 2016 ('the 2016 Regulations') a box junction marking conveys the prohibition that a person
must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box
marking due to the presence of a stationary vehicle.
The Penalty Charge Notice was issued under Section 4(1) of the London Local Authorities and
Transport for London Act 2003 ('the 2003 Act') on the basis of information provided by a camera or
other device. There appears to be no dispute that the vehicle was at this location, as shown in the
closed-circuit television (cctv) images produced by the Enforcement Authority.
The images clearly show that the vehicle did enter this box junction marking and then had to stop
within the box due to the presence of a stationary vehicle.
It does remain the responsibility of the motorist to check carefully at all times whilst driving their
vehicle, so as to ensure that they do so only as permitted. The contravention can occur if any part of
the vehicle's wheels are stopped within the box marking. No actual obstruction need be caused for the
contravention to occur.
Rule 174 of the current edition of the Official Highway Code refers to box junctions. It explains that
these have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road and warns: 'You MUST NOT enter the box
until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn
right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely
without stopping.'
The Appellant raises a number of issues. The Appellant submits that the box junction is not compliant
as the road joining the main road is a private one; that the statutory grounds of appeal were not set
out by the Enforcement Authority for recipients of Penalty Charge Notices making online original
representations to the Enforcement Authority; that the Notice of Rejection wrongly suggested the he
could not pay the penalty charge and still appeal; and that the time limits stated on the Penalty
Charge Notice did not state that further time is allowed when making representations, when they are
posted by the date stated.
A box junction is the yellow criss-cross marking prescribed by Diagram 1043 at item 25 in Part 6 of
Schedule 9 to the 2016 Regulations. The images produced show that in this case the marking does
appear to comply. I am satisfied that it is clear to the motorist that this is a box junction.
Paragraph 11(6) in Part 7 of Schedule 9 to the 2016 Regulations provides that for the purposes of this
paragraph "box junction" means an area of the carriageway where the marking has been placed and
which is-
(a) at a junction between two or more roads;
(b) at a gyratory system or roundabout;
(c) along a length of a two-way road (other than at a junction), the carriageway of which is not greater
than 4.5 metres wide at its narrowest point; or
(d) on the length of road adjacent to the vehicular entrance to the premises of a fire, police or
ambulance station;
There is no requirement that all the roads be publicly maintained, although in this case, whilst there
may be a sign indicating private property beyond the junction, the part of the road adjoining the box is
not so designated.
The Appellant submits that the following statutory grounds were not set out on the Enforcement
Authority's website. Paragraph 1(4) of the 2003 Act provides that the grounds for this type of Penalty
Charge Notice are:
(a) that the recipient (i) never was the owner of the vehicle in question; (ii) had ceased to be its owner
before the date on which the penalty charge was alleged to have become payable; or (iii) became its
owner after that date;
(b) that there was no (i) contravention of a prescribed order; or (ii) failure to comply with an indication;
or (iii) contravention of the lorry ban order, under subsection (5) or (7) of the said section 4 as the
case may be;
(c) that at the time the alleged contravention or failure took place the person who was in control of the
vehicle was in control of the vehicle without the consent of the owner;
(d) that the recipient is a vehicle-hire firm and (i) the vehicle in question was at the material time hired
from that firm under a vehicle hiring agreement; and (ii) the person hiring it had signed a statement of
liability acknowledging his liability in respect of any penalty charge notice issued in respect of the
vehicle during the currency of the hiring agreement; or
(e) that the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.
In the Enforcement Authority's list these are respectively items 2, 1, 3, 4 and 5. It is open to the
Enforcement Authority, as here, to consider other grounds beyond these. The Adjudicator cannot do
so.
The Appellant also submits that the Notice of Rejection wrongly stated that he did not have the option
to pay and still appeal. There is no right to pay the penalty charge, at either full or reduced rate, and
still appeal to the Environment and Traffic Adjudicator. If an Appellant pays the reduced penalty and
then seeks to appeal the Enforcement Authority will likely seek the balance in the event of any such
appeal sill being registered and then refused. In this case the Enforcement Authority do state this in
the Notice of Rejection.
The Appellant further submits that the Notice of Rejection wrongly states that the penalty charge must
be paid within 28 days of the service of the Notice of Rejection. However, this complies with the
requirement of Paragraph 3 in Schedule 1 to the 2003 Act:
Where any representations are made under paragraph 1 above but the enforcing authority do not
accept that a ground has been established, the notice served under sub-paragraph (7) of the said
paragraph 1 (in this Schedule referred to as "the notice of rejection") must-
(a) state that a charge certificate may be served under paragraph 5 below unless before the end of
the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of the notice of rejection-
(i) the penalty charge is paid; or
(ii)the person on whom the notice is served appeals to a traffic adjudicator against the penalty charge;
It may be that the Appellant is a little confused as to postal service and two working days. It is not that
the Appellant has a right to an extra two days to appeal or pay the penalty charge, but rather the 28
days runs from the date of service of the Notice of Rejection on the recipient, this is deemed to be two
working days.
Considering carefully all the evidence before me I must find as a fact that, on this particular occasion,
a contravention did occur and the Penalty Charge Notice was properly issued.
The penalty charge is £130. The amount of the penalty charge is set by the Transport, Environment
and Planning Committee of London Councils and approved by the Mayor of London with the authority
of the Secretary of State. Under Section 4(8)(a)(iv) and 4(10) of the 2003 Act the enforcement
authority must accept the reduced penalty of £65 if paid within 14 days of the date of the Penalty
Charge Notice. This is different from some other types of Penalty Charge Notice, where the relevant
date is service. Once this period has expired and, for whatever reason including appealing to the
Adjudicator and/or making representations to the authority, the charge remains unpaid then the full
penalty becomes due.
Section 4(18) of the 2003 Act provides that in determining, for the purposes of any provision of the
Act, whether a penalty charge has been paid before the end of a particular period, it shall be taken to
be paid when it is received by the authority concerned.
The Enforcement Authority did, in exercise of its discretion, reoffer the reduced penalty in the Notice
of Rejection. Since there is no legal requirement for the Enforcement Authority so to do, there can be
no issue as to any time period offered.
Whilst I note all that has been submitted by the Appellant regarding the circumstances, the
Adjudicator is only able to decide an appeal by making findings of fact on the basis of the evidence
actually produced by the parties and applying relevant law. The Court of Appeal has affirmed that the
Adjudicator has no power to consider mitigating circumstances of any description, including reducing
the amount of the full penalty charge.
Accordingly, this appeal must be refused.

Henry Michael Greenslade
Adjudicator
22nd August 2024
2240331026
MT87744271

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So. I have a date for Tribunal (21st August) and and response from Merton.


They argue that their portal and letter (sent to me - it thread above) had been updated to ensure they are compliant - I'm not sure if that's the case. Any thoughts?


Also, their own evidence photo shows that I could have rolled forward three feet out of the box if I was causing an obstruction (aside from the space of the right). Though I know that the space of the right is no longer a defence and I don't imagine that the three feet in front is either.   


Here's my submission (their response is below):
Reason for appeal
I have had to take advice and then conduct research which took longer than I expected. I also wrongly thought, due to the unlawful directions from Merton Borough Council that the window for me to submit had passed when it had not.


There are four parts to my appeal:


1.The box junction is not placed at the junction of two or more roads or outside a police, fire or ambulance station. The box junction is situated at the entrance to the private driveway to an apartment complex, the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 do not permit box junction markings at such a location. Please see the images where the road is clearly marked ‘Private Property’.


It follows that no contravention can ever occur at this location, enforcement must cease and the CCTV enforcement camera at this location must be removed. As there is no traffic enforcement justification for the camera at this location, failure to remove or at least disable the camera would result in the unlawful and unjustified capture of personal data, in contravention of the General Data Protection Regulation.


2.The information referenced in the second paragraph of the second page of the PCN (and in the online portal where additional categories are also added) does not convey the contents of paragraph 1(4) of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, and it follows that the PCN must be cancelled.


There is precedent for this in case reference 2230446542 (Appellant Commercial Plant Services Ltd and Authority London Borough of Merton VRM LJ20 WRP):
“The Enforcement Authority can indicate extra reasons for which it may exercise discretion, but it cannot exclude the grounds clearly provided by Statute. Considering carefully all the evidence before me I find that the Enforcement Authority have failed to comply with the requirements of the 2003 Act. Accordingly, this appeal must be allowed and no other issue need be determined.”


3. The notice of rejection wrongly stated that I did not have the option to pay and still appeal.


4. and the notice of rejection wrongly stated that there isn’t a grace period after the 28 days to submit.


Precedent for 2. and 3. : Case reference, 2240027331 (Appellant Commercial Plant Services Ltd and Authority London Borough of Merton VRM WS19 OEJ). "In respect of the EA’s contention as to the
additional two day period it allows after the end of the 28 day period starting
with the date of the notice of rejection, this cannot exempt the EA from what
paragraph 3 expressly states a notice of rejection ‘must’ say. There has in
this case been a departure from the mandatory requirements of paragraph
"
“The simple facts of the matter are that, in that case, I found that the wording of the notice of rejection materially mis-stated the time limit within which payment must be made and wrongly stated that no appeal to an adjudicator may be made if the PCN is paid. Both those material misstatements were departures from the requirements of the statutory scheme for the enforcement of PCNs and were, if it was necessary, capable of causing prejudice. I upheld the collateral challenge to the PCN”
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case reference 2230446542
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Commercial Plant Services Ltd v London Borough of Merton (2230446542, 11 December 2023).pdf
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Giles Kennedy v London Borough of Merton (2220586920, 8 October 2022).pdf
Hearing details
Attending hearing
Yes
Reasonable adjustments
No


Merton submitted:


LONDON BOROUGH OF MERTON CASE SUMMARY


CASE REF: 2240331026


PCN: MT87744271


NAME: Mr Gary James Shearin


The facts of this case are that the vehicle EN14NXK owned by Mr Gary James Shearin was observed taking part in the following contravention of a prescribed order or failure to comply with an indication given by a traffic sign: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited. The contravention or failure occurred on MTC- Durnsford Road adjacent to Bassett House (Box junction) at 16:34 on 14/03/2024. The penalty charge notice, issued under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, was sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle on 02/04/2024.


The council firstly advises that the Highway Code clearly states that you must not enter a box junction unless your exit is clear. Therefore, as it is not always possible to see or anticipate what is happening ahead, particularly if there is a large vehicle in front of you, drivers should not enter a box junction unless they are sure they can move forward and fully exit the box without having to stop at all. Rule 174. Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see 'Road markings'). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right. At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping. In addition, the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 state that 'no person shall cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to stationary vehicles.' This refers to any stationary vehicle ahead, not just the one immediately in front.


Upon review of the CCTV evidence, a copy of which is available to view online via our website www.merton.gov.uk., vehicle EN14NXK is seen entering the box junction at about 16:34:33 when the vehicle in front was still fully in the box, and therefore there was not sufficient space at the exit of the lane the vehicle was in for the driver to guarantee being able to clear the box without stopping. The vehicle then stops at about 16:34:44 whilst still partially within the box and does not move again until about 16:35:27.


Whilst I note the appellant's comments in point 1, I must advise that the yellow box


junction in this instance is considered essential to maintain flow of traffic and to


ensure that traffic queues do not impact the signalised junction due to motorists


waiting to turn right into the estate. It also ensures that motorists from this estate


can exit.


Yellow box junctions are permitted across junctions / access roads even including


access to private roads and estates.


The box junction at this location is therefore compliant and in accordance with regulations.


Whilst the appellants comments have been noted regarding the wording that is stated on our Notice of Rejection and had referred to past appeals. The council must advise that decisions of past cases are made on their own merit and decisions made by one adjudicator may not be the same of another. However the wording of the Notice of Rejections referred to does not reflect the wording on the Notice of Rejection issued to the appellant on 21/06/2024. In addition this Notice of Rejection only refers to the motorist right to appeal to the adjudicator and makes no reference to not being able to pay and appeal. Please refer to evidence E.


Following the outcome of the case reference 2230446542 which the appellant refers to our website was amended to ensure that all statutory grounds for making representations as outlined on the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) were included on our website when the motorist challenges their PCN. This is supported in the evidence provided by the appellant tilted "Screenshot 2024-07-22 13.58.47.png" which includes all statutory grounds. This can be found on our website https://parkingweb.merton.gov.uk/pcn/


The Council advises that the Highway Code clearly states that you must not enter a box junction unless your exit is clear.


The outstanding amount of £130.00 is now due. The council finds no grounds to accept the reduced amount of £65.00, due to the fact that Mr Shearin was given the opportunity to pay the lower rate following the councils Notice of Rejection. Instead however, he decided to appeal to the adjudicator. The council is not obliged to continue to offer the reduced amount as settlement.


Miss O'Connell Parking Services

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Thank you

I'm away cycling in France this week. I'll give the appeal ago on my own, but thanks again.

One question - the deadline to pay 'at discount' is in a couple of days but the deadline to appeal is in another two weeks. Can I submit my appeal after I get back next week (after the payment deadline)?

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I finally got a reply.

They do specifically address my challenge:
'You have automatically committed an offence if:
1) You entered the yellow box junction and stopped behind a stationary vehicle.

2) Any part of your vehicle is inside the yellow box junction and your vehicle is
stationary.
I must advise that all box junctions enforced by the London Borough of Merton are
compliant to the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016.
The yellow box is considered essential to maintain flow of traffic and to ensure that
traffic queues do not impact the signalised junction due to motorists waiting to turn right
into the estate. It also ensures that motorists from the estate can exit.
Yellow boxes are permitted across junctions / access roads even if it provides access to
a private estate.
I am satisfied that the notice has been correctly issued and that there are no grounds in
which to cancel the charge.'


Should I plough on and risk the fine doubling? £65.00 if I pay by 5th July.

I can't get the up-loader to work (full message)

Here's a link to the PDF of the letter:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WX2dbAqHVGSecX_Et6b9WMb49cUZIYM3/view?usp=drive_link

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Ha! No ill will. We do have different views on it though.

I spoke with the solicitor involved in the Forster case for 37 minutes this morning, regarding the evidence that was heard and the mitigation accepted by the magistrate. More out of curiosity than need. Since my licence isn’t on the line I’m still best to just plead guilty, take the points and £100 fine, and not go to court.

He had a slightly different view/recollection of it than your associate...

Others with more at stake may want to challenge the charges. Like the poor sods that have unwittingly got 5-10 tickets in two weeks and are facing a ban! There are at least four more cases coming up in court soon. It will be interesting to see how they go. To court is unlikely to be that sympathetic but a few wins may force the hand of the Met / TfL to install better signage.  Though since the limit is supposed to go back to 70mph within 12 months that is unlikely, and they also will not want to cast doubt on the previous convictions by changing the signage now.  So it will probably remain a case by case fix, with legal costs. For example, if you were driving at night, in rain, with traffic and lorries on your left you may have a reasonable case that the signs (while meeting the minimum in law) were not adequate for you to see them.

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BBC News - Driver avoids six-month ban over 'inadequate' sign
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68818174

Quite why the Magistrates went against their guidance (which suggests they should have imposed points for all four offences thus making him liable to a “totting up” ban) is unknown, but was not (or at least should not have been) because of inadequate signage.

The magistrates showed leniency due to the signage being the bare minimum in law. You are confusing your *view of the situation* with *facts* and what happened in a courtroom where you were not present. The magistrate had a different view to yours - based on the evidence they heard. 

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There was no evidence to support that principally because the signage is clear and compliant.  I know because I drive that stretch quite often. Not only is the required signage quite clear but there are also notices warning drivers of the new limit which have been in place since the limit was imposed last autumn.

The signage could be much clearer. It only meets the minimum in law: 30cm, unlit, low level and on one side of the road. Indeed it is also not a legal requirement that speed cameras are bright yellow and not hidden in trees. Most are, this one is not.  It is an extraordinary (and new) speed limit, so it would ideally have extraordinary signage - or at least signage as good as that in similar situations.  That was the evidence that was heard.

Indeed the defendant pleaded guilty (because the signage is the bare minimum required in law). The mitigation included the fact that the signage could be much clearer than it is and can be missed - especially for an extraordinary new limit. 

I did not see other notices where I joined the section, and I would not have seen the advance warning notices in Autumn. Unlike yourself I am an infrequent user of that road. Even so, I have used it a great number of times in the past at 70 miles per hour.

You're adamant the signage is sufficient and perfectly visible to all and you surmise (in fact you assert) the magistrate has not decided otherwise. So perhaps, if that is so, you should surmise why so very many motorists are falling foul of this change in the speed limit.  Could it be that regular users of this road, mostly people who live in the area, are more prone to poor eyesight, are less observant, or less law abiding? Perhaps, since so many people have attracted multiple tickets for the first time here, we need to surmise that something awful entered the water supply in the last six months that has affected their eyesight.

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Bizarrely low. Especially for a road that has been 70mph for YEARS. If you are in the right hand lane with a van (let alone a truck or a couple of lorries) on your left you are not going to see that.  [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Properly signed.
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The most prolific speed camera in the UK last year was on the A40, catching 49,000 people over a year. This one camera on the A20 in Sidcup caught 62,000 in 5 weeks.

That's six million and two-hundred thousand pounds (if only £100 / head) 

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Your 30-year clean licence is not mitigation. In any event, how would you prove it?

For at least some (possibly most) of those 30 years you must have managed OK without satnav, so you should be able to do so again.

If you were to ignore the advice and go to court, it would cost a lot more than £200.

1) How do I prove what? That I have a clean licence? I don't foresee that being hard to do at all, do you? But as you have suggested it's probably not germane anyway.
 
2) Yes I have driven without Sat Nav in the past. What is your point? I will still rely on Sat Nav for navigation. If anything I will turn off the speed limit advice entirely so I 100% use signage and my highway code knowledge. Have you somehow got the impression that I have argued that I must rely on a Sat Nav for the speed limit? That is curious.

3) Why are you suggesting that I would ignore the advice of those with experience and knowledge on this site? In my last post I have literally summarised back the that advice that I have got and will be following. I came here to check if there was any value / merit in either questioning the A20 charge or asking for leniency. And I got the answer I needed - even if it's not the answer one might have hoped for.

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You said in one of your other threads you had done a course for a 20mph offence some time ago.

Can you recall if it was a 20mph course? You may be able to find out from your booking/completion documentation.

There used to be a 20mph course, a national course and a motorway course. You could do one of each.

If it was a 20mph course then this offence may be eligible for a course.

Yes, it was the 20mph course I did. I thought it was one chance at a course of any type. Do you have information that I could just get 3 points for the second 20 zone violation and do a course for the first 40mph violation (and so avoid 6 points)?

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Thanks, that is a helpful reply.

Obviously I'm  concerned what 6 points is going to do to my car insurance and my ability to hire cars.

Yeah, I have to accept that it's all lawful, but going eastbound at least I did genuinely miss the 40 signs and have relied on habit and Google maps too much.

It seems others have genuinely done so as well.

It doesn't seem fair these three tickets in 12 months. After 30 years of driving and my efforts to follow the speed limit previously working fine.

Sometimes, Google maps previous experience/habit, and the nature of the road all appear to be at odds with the actual limit. I only go down there sporadically to Kent. And as you know, I've been relying on Google maps far too much.

So I'm hearing that there's no point in pleading for leniency? And I have to take 6 points and 200 quid.

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