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Getting to a court with my work timings was proving problematic.

I did however manage to get it signed, witnessed and stamped at a solicitors.

PE3 then scanned and sent to TEC/Northampton via the email address supplied with the form.

I will also likely send the hard copy on via postal service.

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Cheers all.....


I will attempt to speak to Magistrates Court near where I will be working and see if I can make appt to get this done...  failing that, worst case, I will use solicitors in the town there.

There are three tick boxes...  obviously my one is the first I DID NOT RECIEVE THE ENFORCEMENT NOTICE.

Then there is a box for handwritten input..

"My Reasons Are (give full reasons)"  -

is there any need to put anything in there. It seems self-explanatory, or are they really wanting a paragraph on the current sh1t state of the UK postal service and how if govt bodies want to be adding £140 onto penalty charges then they should be paying for Special Delivery   ;D

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Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?
Nothing at all. You only need to tick the appropriate box.

You will need to get the form sworn/witnessed, free at your local county court (by appointment)
or circa £8 at a solicitor.

Don't take too long, TEC have processing delays at the moment.

Does it need to be my local court as going by my address... ?
I am working away next week and can get to the court there, but wont be able to have it done at my local court.

Failing that suppose a solicitors will do then.

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Have had time to dig through my piles of 'inbox'....

I never received any initial notice in the mail - not down to change of address, or V5 not updated - just simply abysmal postal service.

1. 10th Jan dated - (received 18th) first I knew of this was Charge Certificate when it had been raised to £195. (attached)

This is when I opened this thread on this forum. 
General thrust of advice was to await for OFR and then file regarding never received the original notification.

2. 1st Feb - further letter from B&D Council prompting payment or warning of further action.

Still not OFR/not registered at traffic court so waiting game continues.

3. Week ago finally receive the OFR with forms PE2 and PE3

I do not live anywhere near the area, am not local and taking umpteen pics of inadequate signage and getting caught up in fighting this - frankly I don't have the time.  I have recently spent enough 'free' time doing paperwork and admin to fight a PPC with their ANPR double-dip bullsh!t... [I won, but cant be arsed with all that again].

I am happy enough here, in this instance, to get it reduced to the original amount as am damned if I should get penalised for what is now an appalling postal service.

Is is the PE3 I fill in, any specific wording? Or is there some other arcane form I need to download too?


ATTACHMENTS - both the original Charge Cert and follow letter not allowed to attach as upload folder is full.

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Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.
@Secret_Squirrel1970 you must now follow the instructions in this guide to get the matter re-set.

Is there a copy of the original PCN with the Order for Recovery?

I note you don't want to challenge the whole thing, but if we can find good grounds for doing so then you might as well.

Not with the OFR, no....

I did not ever receive an original PCN....  (sad to say, post here is absolutely woeful).

First I knew of it some months later was the charge certificate/letter which was now £195 - iirc.  This was around when I started nosing around asking on here as I knew there was a way of getting it reset

I then received a follow up letter a short time later.

The general reply/collective wisdom in line with what I was asking was that once I had received the OFR - now here - it was relatively simple to get it reset via the traffic court to the original fine on the PCN which I never received.

I will have both the charge cert/letters I received.  Just couldn't place my hands right on them at the moment.

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I haven't been back in here nor seen the last few comments - as nothing had happened and life was very busy....

I will dig through and see what paperwork I have.. and re-do the initial letter I received but am not at home for a few days so wont be til then.

Have now, finally, many months later - received an OFR in relation to this, it has now been 'logged' at Northampton and the amount gone up to £205 from the £195.

I would like to point out I am not seeking to challenge this whole thing, I am fine (no pun intended) paying the original £65 or whatever it was - am just damned if I am getting reamed for a further £140 merely because we have a shockingly bad postal service.

Anyhow, will get the original letters dug out when am back home on Sunday evening.


PS: - would like to mention that the private PCN matter I was dealing with via MSE forums (alluded to above) was sorted satisfactorily in the end. The PPC pulled out two weeks before court. A year long process and a lot of time and faff basically boiled down to who would blink first...

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Take it easy and wait for the OFR.
+1
We don't need you panicking and doing something daft. You risk delaying debt registration or even really complicating matters.

and I did tell you how to set your mind at rest >
You won't be late so long as you keep abreast of debt registration;either by noting an increase in the pcn portal to £204 or by confirmation with TEC.


All good.    Thanks all.

Second letter from B&D received yesterday or today.  Still showing £195 but specifying I have 7 days to pay up at this point and deal direct with them before they send it to Northampton.

So still at waiting stage. 

[Meanwhile have to pop back over to MSE Forum where my private parking matter getting set for court - although they will more than likely pull out at the last minute].

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So meanwhile its a waiting game... wait for the debt to be registered at TEC then file the relevant form(s) to have the clock/timer reset due to not receiving any PCN.

Just checking back in here...   

I have downloaded a PE3 - just wanting to check that I really cant do much else until the "debt" is entered at TEC - at which point I can use the PE3 from?

At least that is my understanding... ???

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A rather disingenuous letter, because they cannot pass the matter to enforcement agents, (bailiffs) until they register the debt at TEC.This costs them £9 and they have to then issue an Order for Recovery, then wait for it to be paid. I see the Horizon mentality all over English council parking departments. "ignore the law because there are no come-backs on us".
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So meanwhile its a waiting game... wait for the debt to be registered at TEC then file the relevant form(s) to have the clock/timer reset due to not receiving any PCN.

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Please post the Charge Certificate, suitably redacted, (name and address). Until we know what the PCN was served for, the form to use is yet unknown.
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms

No. TE& is for late applications and for parking and other matters if this were outside London.

You won't be late so long as you keep abreast of debt registration;either by noting an increase in the pcn portal to £204 or by confirmation with TEC.
Then the form you need will be PE3.

B&D are likely to send you another, threatening, letter meanwhile.
You can safely ignore that but if in any doubt at all -- check here.


It has been many many years since I have had any council related parking or whatever PCN so it's all a bit rusty....  Last time I had anything I just remember a TE7 and a TE9

As previously asked for redacted Charge Cert.

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Thursday 18th January received Charge Certificate for the standard £195 (being £130 + £65)...  52M - Station Parade, some restricted zonage I believe.
The contravention was at the end of November - but this Charge Certificate is the first I have heard of the matter.  V5, my address etc all match up.

I am over hundred miles from the location but I was there working that morning and not knowing the area I probably did stray into whatever lane/zone.... I am not contesting that fact.
I merely want them to be aware that I didn't receive any PCN - effectively resetting the clock.

I am assuming the original PCN was caught up in the usual Christmas mail delivery fiasco - even without Christmas the postal service here is abysmal these days.

I haven't used PEPIPOO for years and it is inoperable at the moment it seems...  I am on MSE where I am deep into arguing with a private parking cowboy - but local councils are a different set of rules.

IIRC I am technically in a bit of limbo until it is registered as a debt at TEC at which point I can use form TE7?


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