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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Newham, code 52m failing to comply with a prohibition on certain type of vehicles, Royal Albert Way E16 & Gallions Round

« on: December 21, 2024, 06:48:21 pm »

Hi @cp8759 & @Incandescent,

Thank you for taking the time to look into this for me.

I have just received a charge certificate dated 19th of December 2024.

Context:
Back in November I received 3 letters from council:
#1 - Charge certificate for entering Manor road
#2 - Charge certificate for existing the Manor road
#3 – PCN for this 52m @ Royal Albert Way

I made a post here on this website for #1 and #2 then I appealed all three with the council (both sending both letters and submitted them online). The council wrote back in two identical letters that they rejected appeal 1 twice… but left 2 untouched. Reduced the fees from £190 each to £65 as I was never provided PCNs for them. I paid this off to not deal with this anymore, more on this below.

For appeal 3 I never heard back.

This is the PCN that I got for #3

And their evidence:

https://youtu.be/F1iC2xXjHzQ

You can see that once the driver has processed that this was in fact a different sign to the regular 40mph they started to break/stop but it was already too deep into the turn.

Here is the location from Street View link in Google Maps, and the sign it’s showing as 40mph:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PA9AZBUZuRedBEQN8

I then submitted the previously mentioned appeal both online and send this via post.

Here is proof of postage – all 3 letters were sent together:

And here is proof of the online submission:

Since then, the council has rejected appeal 1 and 2, and as I didn’t want to deal with this anymore, I just paid £130 (2x£65, which was better than the original £190x2 they wanted!). However, the council made a mistake, and only reduced #1 from £190 to £65 and left #2 at £190. As the website allowed you to input whatever amount you wish to pay, I just paid £65 each and wrote to them on their portal to say they have made an administrative mistake and need to rectify that.

A few days later I got this response:

Here they have confirmed that #1 and #2 is resolved but that there are 4 more cases in their system.

Here was my response to them:

I have heard nothing back in the e-mail or via post, until just now I got charge certificate dated 19th of December 2024

Questions
Now, what do I do here?
Do I write back to the council saying they have never responded to my appeal?
Do I wait for the tribunal letters?
Also, what should I do about PN62628875, PN62645400, PN62647643, these are from 2021…?

PN62628875, PN62645400, PN62647643
These are 3 charges that as explained in my response to them I was never notified. Their e-mail was the first time I found out about them. All 3 all for the same thing, back wheel was in the yellow box in Newham, but this was in 2021! I checked on the register and no judgements have been registered against me so I have no clue what I need to do with these as paying £570 (£190x3) for something I only found via their e-mail is ridiculous at best. Do I just leave it until a letter from the courts appear?

I understand that there is a lot of info here so thank you for taking the time to look through this.

Private parking tickets / NCP Parking PCNs – No Payment – Chobham Academy Stratford

« on: December 09, 2024, 08:09:51 pm »

Background
The driver has been playing football at the Chobham Academy Stratford for the last 4 years or so. Always after work so past the 17:00 o’clock mark. There was no signage back in the day and then when they put one up at the location it was reviewed once. Although it was confusingly worded, it read something along the lines: “Parking is only chargeable between 06:00 - 16:00 every weekday on Monday – Friday” and the understanding was that during the school hours one had to pay a small fee (under £2). No Recollection to the weekend tariffs. The driver proceeded to use the car park to play occasional games (the driver lost count to give the exact number but easily +30 games) since pre-COVID, on both weekdays and weekends.

Alleged Contravention 1 (AC1)
01.07.2024 - Upon entering the car park, the driver found a space, parked up, and went for their football game that lasted around 45min. Just like before the driver has left the car park without having paid.

AC1 PCN to Keeper

AC1 Final Reminder

Alleged Contravention 2 (AC2)
08.07.2024 - Upon entering the car park, the driver found a space, parked up, and went for their football game that lasted around 45min. Just like before the driver has left the car park without having paid.

AC2 PCN to Keeper was never issued/delivered.

AC2 Final Reminder

I, the registered keeper of the vehicle, spend half my time in one address in Bristol (where the car is registered to) and other half in a London address. I, the registered keeper was at the time in London after which I drove to Europe and didn’t return back to the UK until mid-August. All three of the documents listed above were seen mid-August, past the discounted time-period.

Upon my return to the UK and seeing the letters sent to Bristol. I made my way to Chobham Academy Stratford. Upon arrival, I found new signage in place which must have been replaced somewhere after 8th of July and before my visit in August. As such I cannot post any photos of the signage in the car park as they have changed this since issuing the letters.

The PCN references do not load on the NCP website so I was never able to see all of their pictures. Just the ones provided in the above letters as their website said/says “Unfortunately you are unable to appeal this charge at this time.”

Here is a google link to the location:

The sign used to be yellow next to the green box thing where security sits post covid.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.550255,-0.007851,63m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Pre COVID there was nothing other to say this is private car park:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5503421,-0.0079526,3a,90y,341.79h,92.32t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sEkoS1fVAM1tpoPgQCGSJrA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-2.3227332793832574%26panoid%3DEkoS1fVAM1tpoPgQCGSJrA%26yaw%3D341.78932322090947!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

And this at the entrance:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5500103,-0.0078454,3a,51.3y,5.88h,83.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swpXlmr6PFIUSnIdSoEGoPQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D6.702524895624293%26panoid%3DwpXlmr6PFIUSnIdSoEGoPQ%26yaw%3D5.881104322805278!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I then asked the security guard about the old sign and if there were any pictures of it and was told no, and that this carpark’s signage was replaced recently.

I have since received letters from Trace Debt Recovery for £170 each, where I got more letters for one incident than the other as I think they are confusing them.

Now at the end of November I got a letter from Moorside Legal asking for £277 for each incident.

I only just realised today that these are in fact 2 separate incidents due to inconsistent letters.

I haven’t contacted anyone yet… should I reach out to their solicitors and tell them that they cannot possibly expect the payment when the signage was changed… or should I wait for the claim form.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Private parking tickets / UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton Tria

« on: December 09, 2024, 03:04:57 pm »

UK Parking Control Limited & DCB Legal LTD – Not Parked Correctly Within The Markings of The Bay Or Space – Beckton Triangle Retail Park, 5 Claps Gate Lane, London, E6 6LG

Hi all & @b789,

I hope you are well and thank you for taking the time to look into this for me.

@b789 – I am tagging you here as I saw your response on another post dealing with something similar and I would appreciate your input.

Summary
I just received (09.12.2024) a claim form issued 05.12.2024 from UK Parking Control Limited issued by DCB Legal LTD.

The reason: Not Parked Correctly Within the Markings of The Bay or Space.

They claim an absurd amount of £259.88 in a free carpark, broken down as such;
• Amount Claimed £174.88
• Court Fee £35.00
• Solicitor Costs £50.00

I believe I need to respond to the “Acknowledgment of Service” by no later than 24th of December 2024 if my understanding is correct. I think there is also an option to extend this by 28 days.

The situation
The driver went to the B&M in Beckton Triangle Retail Park. The supermarket tends to be busy and from experience the driver knew not to park there and instead park in front of Harveys Furniture Beckton. Harveys Furniture Beckton never has any customers/lights on and the car park in front of it is basically empty. According to the following website the store is closed: https://foursquare.com/v/harveys/5bfda1d7dbde11002506c8ce

Here is the layout of the carpark, where the car was parked and some google images to show the business of the car park as per google. There are no pictures from the day. Happy to go back there should more pictures be required.

Bird’s View of the car park with where the car was parked:

Link to that location: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5225563,0.0696586,109m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Good representation of what the car park tends to look like i.e. B&M side busy and Harveys side empty(ier):

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5223471,0.0697806,3a,87.4y,338.78h,87.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1st3Nt6x_YtkXo8cMbRMW3Rw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D2.593455110269119%26panoid%3Dt3Nt6x_YtkXo8cMbRMW3Rw%26yaw%3D338.7831079553184!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

The driver spent approximately 45min to 1h in B&M and left the car park.

It’s also worth noting that I, the registered keeper, spend half my time in one address in Bristol (where the car is registered to) and other half in a London address.

On the 12th of July, I, the registered keeper was notified by other households of the Bristol address of receiving some mail while I was in London (due to work, and other events). After which I drove to Europe and didn’t return back to the UK until mid-August. Now that PCN was seen mid/late August, past the discounted time-period. Here is the PCN:

Shortly after the registered keeper's return, I got the Final Reminder (even though nothing else has been sent since the above PCN):

And then at the beginning of November I got this Letter of Claim:

Followed by the letter from the Tribunal – see attached the scanned PDF file named “Edited Copy-redacted”

I would like to contest this however before I submit anything, I wanted to check with the forum first.

My questions:
1. Can anyone let me know what’s the best course of action?
2. I understand that my response will be back to the claimant who then decides if they accept my offer or goes to the court. As I am willing to give them £0 then I can imagine this would go to the court. Is it true that I need to pay a court fee of £303 to defend myself?
3. Any other advice is highly appreciated.