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OP, I don't know where you're going with this at the moment.

IMO, you won't get them to cancel whatever arguments you put forward. What your reps will do os to draw their reasoning after which you could put more a detailed argument in formal reps.

I thought I could park with two wheels on the footway as other motorists can be seen to be doing in the CEO's photos. There are some historical markings along the road but these are widely ignored by both motorists and CEOs.

Did you submit the FoI request to the council, not parking?

I didnt - what would that achieve?

using Google street view I can see the pavement parking sign on Charlotte gardens (near 146) saying in marked bays only

I think that sign will apply to Oates Road.

https://havering.traffweb.app/traffweb/1/TrafficOrders

Here i see it allows 2 wheel parking. I didnt see any sign NEAR where I was parking stating I had to be exactly within the lines.

THIS WAS A SIMILAR CASE https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/havering-pcn-parked-on-footpath/
From @cp8759:::::
Of course this should not be raised at this stage as we don't want to alert the council as to the evidential deficiencies in its case. For now a simple representation will do:

Dear London Borough of Havering,

I contend that on this occasion no contravention occurred, if you seek to pursue this penalty charge notice please would you provide a copy of the footway parking resolution duly made under section 15(4) of the Greater London Council (General Powers) Act 1974. Without sight of the resolution, I have no way of knowing whether I was actually in contravention or not.

Yours faithfully,

Make the representation online and get a screenshot of the confirmation screen, in the meantime I'll use other means to get a copy of the resolution (assuming it even exists).


Seems like they allow parking but only within lines but theres nowhere stating this so it makes it very confusing for motorists.

Photos are now up:





You can see other cars parked there.
I am further in but you can just about see another car parked on opposite side of road which would have led to narrow space if I didnt move in.

Theres no law saying be exactly within markings or your fined as far as I can see.

Please help with this appeal wording if you can!

Thanks

Pictures aren't up yet -I'll check later.

Can you please post the back of the PCN.

Here you go

Yes  that is the reason.
But 1. no signage saying they have to be strictly adhered to
2. No signage saying inspectors were active
3. I had to move the car slighhtly over due to car on other side of road

SO The police responded but I would say with clerical errors given it doesnt really mention my offence and instead talks about seemingly unrelated information>

Is there anything I can do against this??

RESPONSE FROM POLICE:


CONDITIONAL OFFER OF FIXED PENALTY
We have evidence that you were the driver of the motor vehicle XXXXXXXX at the time of the alleged offence London on 30/07/2024 at 08:40 hours Contrary to regulation 110(1) of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, section 41D of the Road Traffic Act 1988 and Schedule 2 to the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988.
Speed / Endorsable offences carry a maximum penalty of £1000 and 6 penalty points or £2500 and 6 penalty points (motorway offences). Traffic signal offences carry a maximum penalty of £1000 and 3 penalty points.

If it is your wish to contest this matter in court you may do so. If you do not wish to contest the matter then it may be possible to deal with it by a fixed penalty of £200.00 and the endorsement of 6 penalty points on your licence, by post without the need for court proceedings.

If you wish to be considered for a fixed penalty please read the instructions in Step 1 and Step 2 overleaf and follow them carefully. YOU HAVE 28 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THIS NOTICE TO COMPLY WITH THIS CONDITIONAL OFFER. No proceedings will be instituted against you during that period, but failure to respond to this notice within that period will lead to proceedings. In those circumstances you will have an opportunity to have a court hearing of this case.
J Snell

On behalf of the Commissioner of Police for the Metropolitan Police
Important Notes
PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS CONDITIONAL OFFER IS ONLY VALID FOR 28 DAYS FROM THE DATE ON THIS LETTER.
** YOU MUST ONLY USE THE OFFICIAL PAYMENT METHODS AS STATED OVERLEAF **
TO ACCEPT THIS CONDITIONAL OFFER
If you wish to accept this conditional offer of fixed penalty, you can discharge liability to conviction by payment and providing your driving licence details. If you do not fulfil the requirements in Part 1 and Part 2 on Pages 3 and 4 within 2 days of the date of this notice, any payment made may be refunded or returned to you and you will then be prosecuted If your driving licence has eight or less penalty points endorsed in the last 3 years you can accept this offer.
The address details are provided in Part 2 on Page 4. DO NOT SEND ANY MONEY OR LICENCE TO POLICE
TO DECLINE THIS CONDITIONAL OFFER OR CONTEST THE MATTER
If you wish to decline or are unable to accept this offer, you can either write to us notifying us of your intention or alterna do nothing. Arrangements will then be made to the matter to proceed to court.
This notice is issued under sec. 34 Road Traffic Act 1991 and sec. 75 and 77 Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988



This is all because a crazy cyclist saw me look at my phone at a red light! Unbelievable