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For more context the other code 12 vs code 19 cases I read about were:

Case 2210295739 (Lieberman v Haringey - 10 Aug 2021) and 2250139320 (Allin v Islington - 28 May 2025) mentioned on this post https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/newham-continuous-contravention/15/

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Hi there,

My virtual permit was expired - I was away on holiday with the car when it expired and got a ticket with code 12 the morning after returning home. The previous permit expired on 25/06/2026 23:59 and the contravention was on 06/07/2026 09:22.


Two things I was thinking to appeal on the basis of, wondering if I could have some advice on whether it is worth doing for either reason.


1 - When I renewed my permit (via the MiPermit app) the virtual permit states it is valid from 00:00 the day of renewal. The contravention was at 09:22. Although the ticket was issued before I renewed the permit, does it count for anything that the validity of the permit itself was from 00:00 of the same day and thus was valid at the time of the contravention?


2 - The code issued was code 12, however I believe from reading elsewhere the correct code to be used when a permit has expired (virtual or otherwise) is code 19. As my PCN is stated as a contravention of code 12, is it invalid?


I raised an informal challenge with the council already for two issues when I received the yellow sticker ticket - one was the 00:00 validity mentioned above, which was rejected. Another was for a second ticket they gave me around the same time because I had moved my car outside my house to load things in and deal with the permit expiry (so, whilst I was in the house renewing the permit, they officer came back and gave me another ticket!). However, they cancelled this second ticket out of 'goodwill'. I did not realise about the code 12 vs 19 issue when raising the informal appeal.


I had an email today stating my informal challenge was rejected, and if I dont pay within 14 days Notice to Owner will be sent where formal representations may be made. I can paste the full email for this if helpful.






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