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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: Today at 12:55:02 am »Can't read your case.You need to set it to 'Public'
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: Today at 12:25:25 am »
Decision received — appeal dismissed.
It's funny that the adjudicator's reasons didn't address my main argument at all: although I stopped in the box, I didn't have to stop due to stationary vehicles, because there was sufficient space ahead for me to continue moving slowly.
The appeal was a joke, really.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e6-nJCLAa-VlxXSQ97uVZ7lXS4ZoxDGr/view?usp=sharing
It's funny that the adjudicator's reasons didn't address my main argument at all: although I stopped in the box, I didn't have to stop due to stationary vehicles, because there was sufficient space ahead for me to continue moving slowly.
The appeal was a joke, really.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e6-nJCLAa-VlxXSQ97uVZ7lXS4ZoxDGr/view?usp=sharing
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 24, 2026, 12:34:29 pm »
I've also got the reply from FOI regarding oversized box which council explained it's swept path. I'm not sure if this would help or not.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AdYYBcw2RYEecDwg5WTZVl5zFou3aGXy/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LsltfmRpbUez85GStzMqkf9WxrscK4BD/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AdYYBcw2RYEecDwg5WTZVl5zFou3aGXy/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LsltfmRpbUez85GStzMqkf9WxrscK4BD/view?usp=drive_link
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 24, 2026, 11:20:48 am »I've attached their Authority Summary.
Where?
Yes, let's see what they have said.
Sounds like they've quoted the highway code which, for box junctions, is notoriously an oversimplification of the actual rules.
Please see the link.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b_3R9_g3GoPYZBBPSY_0nMFd0IG-V6kB/view?usp=sharing
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 24, 2026, 12:26:29 am »I think it's arguable that no offence committed.
It's only an offence to have to stop due to stationary vehicles. Looks like you are slightly manoeuvring towards the second lane and the vehicle in front of you in that lane doesn't stop moving until 19 seconds into the video.
You start moving at 22 seconds but there's a significant gap between you so you could have started moving again just as the other car comes to a stop and made it through without having to stop again.
Hello again. Thank you for your earlier advice.
I've now received the Council's evidence pack. Rather than addressing the CCTV timing point, they argue that the issue is not the gap to the vehicle ahead but whether there was sufficient space beyond the box to accommodate my vehicle when I entered.
I've attached their Authority Summary. I'd be grateful for your thoughts on whether this changes your previous view of the case.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 05, 2026, 05:08:34 pm »
Thanks, that’s helpful. I raised that point with the Council, but they said the area forms part of the “swept path”. I’ve submitted an EIR request asking for the engineering documents.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 04, 2026, 10:49:56 pm »
Thanks. That’s actually the point I’ve been questioning as well. Trafford Council says the area where I stopped forms part of the “swept path”, but they haven’t provided any engineering evidence to support that. I’ve submitted an EIR request to ask for the design documents.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 04, 2026, 03:22:21 pm »
Any other thoughts on this? I’d really appreciate any advice before I take it to Tribunal. Thanks.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 02, 2026, 12:20:33 pm »
Thanks, that's an interesting point. My intention was to avoid blocking the exit once I realised the traffic ahead had slowed. I hadn't looked at it from that angle before. Do you think that's a point an adjudicator would be likely to accept?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 01, 2026, 06:58:13 pm »12
Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Yellow Box PCN
« on: July 01, 2026, 04:27:40 pm »
Hi all,
I'd appreciate some advice.
I received a yellow box PCN from Trafford Council. My formal representations were rejected.
My main argument is that this yellow box seems much larger than necessary. The position where my car stopped doesn't appear to block the junction or any crossing traffic.
I challenged the extent of the yellow box, and the Council replied saying that the area where my car stopped forms part of the "swept path" for vehicles exiting the junction. However, they haven't provided any engineering evidence to support that and instead told me to submit an FOI request.
I've attached:
Google Maps showing the junction.
The Council's CCTV image showing where my car stopped.
The Council's latest reply mentioning the "swept path".
Do you think I have reasonable grounds to take this to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal? Has anyone dealt with a similar argument about the size or extent of a yellow box?
Thanks in advance.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JzHj5psAHWUwXPsz7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vJzW67k77x21DrUa8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VQEBg46U5xxboksz9
I'd appreciate some advice.
I received a yellow box PCN from Trafford Council. My formal representations were rejected.
My main argument is that this yellow box seems much larger than necessary. The position where my car stopped doesn't appear to block the junction or any crossing traffic.
I challenged the extent of the yellow box, and the Council replied saying that the area where my car stopped forms part of the "swept path" for vehicles exiting the junction. However, they haven't provided any engineering evidence to support that and instead told me to submit an FOI request.
I've attached:
Google Maps showing the junction.
The Council's CCTV image showing where my car stopped.
The Council's latest reply mentioning the "swept path".
Do you think I have reasonable grounds to take this to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal? Has anyone dealt with a similar argument about the size or extent of a yellow box?
Thanks in advance.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JzHj5psAHWUwXPsz7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/vJzW67k77x21DrUa8
https://photos.app.goo.gl/VQEBg46U5xxboksz9
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