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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringay PCN, Code 32D, Proceeding in wrong direction due to police blockade
« on: July 06, 2025, 11:59:33 pm »
@HC Andersen, it was after 9 pm and Pelham Road is not a busy thoroughfare. It provides access to some properties but mainly it is the entrance and exit for the Wood Green shopping centre car park. The centre itself is long closed by then except for those few people using it because of the 24/7 gym. There were about 3-4 cars which were stuck behind the blockade, but not enough traffic to block the whole road. They clearly had more patience. Unfortunately none of the cars are visible in the video evidence because it all happens after the road curves to the left.

@Hippocrates, thanks. I will respond to your PM.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringay PCN, Code 32D, Proceeding in wrong direction due to police blockade
« on: July 02, 2025, 06:50:17 pm »
I have now recieved a Notice of Rejection of Representation (see below), saying that although similar representations have resulted in cancellation of PCNs before, each case is individual and do not set a precedent, particularly as legal advice has 'evolved'. My representation was around the PCN flaw suggested by Hippocrates above.

I would love to know how legal advice has evolved since the previous PCN cancellations and my representation.

Happy to hear your opinion on how to proceed with this.

Notice of rejection - https://imgur.com/a/mNVEuHe

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringay PCN, Code 32D, Proceeding in wrong direction due to police blockade
« on: May 01, 2025, 12:04:07 am »
Thank you, Hippocrates. That gives me some confidence that this can be taken all the way. Do you suggest I submit a representation with the PCN flaw or use the police incident in the first instance?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringay PCN, Code 32D, Proceeding in wrong direction due to police blockade
« on: April 29, 2025, 05:41:06 pm »
There was no other exit from the car park, but to emerge on Pelham Road and turn right (this is a one way road), where the police blockade was. Instead turned left and emerged onto Gladstone Avenue. The video shows the car emerging on to Gladstone avenue. The police incident in further up the curve in Pelham Road behind where the car is coming from. It is not visible in the video.
Does anyone know where to find report of police incidents in an area on a specific date? I couldn't find any using Google search.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Haringay PCN, Code 32D, Proceeding in wrong direction due to police blockade
« on: April 29, 2025, 12:44:56 am »
Received this postal PCN, due to failing to drive in direction shown by blue arrow, when emerging into Pelham Road from Wood Green Shopping Centre car park. The arrow stated a right turn, however the road was blockaded by police cars, blue flashing lights and ongoing armed police arrest of individuals on the street. It was 9 pm and having waited 20 min already, the situation was not improving. Had to get food and get home. The decision was made to turn left on to Pelham Road and turn into Gladstone Avenue to avoid the blockade. May be I should have waited for as long as needed for the law enforcement to do their duties and be thankful when it was over, but I want to know if anything can be done with this PCN or am I doomed to pay.

PCN - https://imgur.com/a/vSMeIoT
Picture of blockade from other side of Pelham Road - https://imgur.com/a/YPdGEIl

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« on: December 11, 2024, 12:17:17 pm »
Thanks Hippocrates. Just replied

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« on: December 11, 2024, 11:48:32 am »
Notice of Rejection has finally arrived in my email. Annoyingly it is a week old, as it went into my junk folder.So I have about 3 weeks. My next step would be to appeal to the transport tribunal.

From earlier posts, it seems there are previous successes during the appeal stage. Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

Notice of Rejection - https://imgur.com/a/xjMonxy

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey, Code 12(r) parked in a restricted street, Ambiguous/Obstructed sign, Vernon Road-Turnpike Lane Controlled
« on: December 03, 2024, 01:17:33 pm »
Is this inconsistency/contradiction something that can be used to challenge the PCN? Any suggestions would be helpful if there is a chance of success. I don’t have long to make use of the discount for the fine.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey, Code 12(r) parked in a restricted street, Ambiguous/Obstructed sign, Vernon Road-Turnpike Lane Controlled
« on: December 01, 2024, 06:13:42 pm »
Reply to my informal representation came back saying PCN would not be cancelled. Is there any point in taking this matter further, or should I pay the discounted fine?

https://imgur.com/a/VavVBWb

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« on: November 03, 2024, 12:26:22 pm »
Thanks. There didn’t seem to be a way to submit representation online. Once you have entered the PCN details the TFL website only offers a button to pay the PCN rather than submit representation or challenge. Am I not looking in the right place?
I may have to do a written one of this fails

TFL website after entering PCN details - https://imgur.com/a/XYJoi2w
Only option given is to add to basket and pay - https://imgur.com/a/4VkQdND

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« on: October 25, 2024, 09:13:32 pm »
After taking their sweet time, TFL has finally sent me the Enforcement Notice - https://imgur.com/a/MFmftug

Do you suggest I submit the representation using the same information as the initial challenge?

Also, TFL have sent me a CD, which I presume is video evidence. I have no device to read a CV! I will ask around for some help on that.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey, Code 12(r) parked in a restricted street, Ambiguous/Obstructed sign, Vernon Road-Turnpike Lane Controlled
« on: October 21, 2024, 07:53:56 pm »
Am I right in guessing from the messages that there isn’t any recourse to this?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey, Code 12(r) parked in a restricted street, Ambiguous/Obstructed sign, Vernon Road-Turnpike Lane Controlled
« on: October 19, 2024, 03:10:22 pm »
Understood. Should have checked for any small bay signs  :( . It looks like there was one a bit further away, as Incandescent says, but the CPZ sign was more obvious and convincing at that time. But could I still argue that the presence of the CPZ sign was misleading especially in the absence of bay signs nearby?

Here is the rear of the PCN - https://imgur.com/a/P1IjDN8

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Haringey, Code 12(r) parked in a restricted street, Ambiguous/Obstructed sign, Vernon Road-Turnpike Lane Controlled zone
« on: October 19, 2024, 01:31:37 am »
Hello, this is a weird one. The car was parked on Vernon Road around 8:30 pm, with a Controlled Zone sign next to it indicating restrictions from 8am - 6:30pm. There are no other sign on the side of the street (see pictures) so it appeared ok to park here. On returning from a 10 min shopping, a parking inspector was attaching a ticket to car. He explained that although the Controlled Zone sign shows 8am - 6:30pm on this side, the sign that matters is the one attached behind it, which says 8am - 10:00pm. The driver had no idea about that other sign, and also it was unusual that a sign visible from the parking area is not applicable. What have that sign showing 8am - 6:30pm, then?

When this was pointed out to the parking inspector, he said that the 6:30pm sign is for cars driving towards that sign from inside Vernon Road and the 10pm sign attached behind it is for cars driving from the opposite side from Turnpike Lane - even though the restriction applies to the same section of road. If that were to be the case, how did the inspector know which direction the car was being driven from? I have never heard of such as thing!

In addition, the sign showing restrictions till 10pm is not visible from a driver's viewpoint, because of an overgrown shrub (see pictures) and the driver would not have seen it even if they were turning into Vernon Road from Turnpike Lane. The only point the driver would see a sign would be after the car was stationary on the side of the street and the driver checked for restrictions, where the sign would show that the restriction has already ended.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Google map location - https://maps.app.goo.gl/UTUKc9idEKKEnBKw8
PCN - https://imgur.com/L2TjX8L
Pictures - https://imgur.com/a/eZ2b8kJ

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL, Bus Lane contravention, N circular Rd Btw Chequers Way Green Lanes
« on: September 05, 2024, 12:14:22 pm »
Finally received response from TFL to my challenge letter. They are not willing to budge, as expected, and will send the formal Enforcement Notice within 28 days. I will then be able to make a formal representation against that.

Their grounds for rejecting my challenge was a bit shaky. They ended up saying in one sentence that "Case law reflects we need to be substantially compliant with the mandatory information we are required to place on a PCN, and we consider we are at least substantially compliant if not compliant." Make what you will of that.

The video evidence apparently is coming in a separate post. There was no response to the point on Camera Authorisation. 

Also their response letter is dated 20/08/2024 and is more than 28 days after my initial challenge.

Here is their response in full - https://imgur.com/a/ZFWUtow

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