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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 10, 2024, 11:10:04 am »
Quote from: H C Andersen on August 09, 2024, 09:24:19 am
Thanks.

Dreadful reasoning - FFS what the hell has moving traffic got to do with matters(as it falls outwith the scope of the report), what contribution does moving traffic make to the numbers, do the council seriously think that they can draw such a distinction between a change in policy designed to reduce expenditure and one intended to raise revenue  etc. etc?

OP, pl post the back of your PCN.

Without sight of the back of the PCN and unless you or someone else can get photos of the signs and lines as they are now then you're asking us to give advice in a vacuum.


Thank you for your thoughts H C, I feel the same frustration as I would usually ensure I do everything I need to gather evidence and photos etc. I'm not able to at this point, so I am likely to go ahead with the payment as it feels like I don't have enough counter evidence to make an appeal.


The back of the ticket:

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 08, 2024, 02:09:14 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on August 08, 2024, 01:40:26 pm
We don't have the info needed to properly challenge this which is why I said ask them for their pics.

If I were challenging this I'd say:

I am challenging on the grounds that the 02 loading contravention did not occur. As far as I am aware there are not loading restrictions at this location - I did not see signage to this effect when I stopped to briefly collect items from a shop here.

I am unable to check your CEO's pictures as they do not seem to be online but I trust my challenge is correct and look forward to your cancellation of this PCN.


Frankly it would be miserable if they didn't give the discount if they can stand the contravention up but see what others say.


Thank you for your suggestion - I have requested them, but not received a message back yet. I'll update if there are no photographs attributed to my PCN.


Yes it does seem outrageous that the payment is being forced on to most individuals who wouldn't have the capacity to look into a proper challenge and might have any representations rejected.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 08, 2024, 10:50:32 am »
Quote from: stamfordman on August 05, 2024, 10:27:34 am
I have checked Havering's traffic orders and it doesn't seem to be that there are loading restrictions in that location.

We really need their pictures - suggest you contact them and ask for the images the CEO took.

What were you collecting.


I was collecting food!

Unfortunately, I think I will have to pay this PCN as I am about to travel and haven't been able to return to the area to get any photos. I don't think I have enough to throw in an appeal unless there is a good suggestion otherwise?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 04, 2024, 08:36:54 pm »
Quote from: Incandescent on August 04, 2024, 08:11:02 pm
So let's get this right. You parked to go shopping on double-yellow lines. These need no signs, so there were none for you to look out for. Did you not notice these DYLs which mean No Waiting 24x7 ?

The PCN says the restriction is also No Loading, but GSV latest is August 2021, and shows there is no no-loading restriction, so a No Loading restriction may have been brought in since them. So if you are to take this further with us, you'll need to do some legwork and take photos of the street where you parked so we can look for yellow kerb blips and a sign giving the times of the loading restriction. If they are double kerb blips, it is No Loading 24x7.

I get the distinct feeling reading your narrative that you just decided to chance your arm, but lost; true or false ?

Incidentally, you should be able to view the CEO's photos on their website by quoting PCN Number and car reg.


Incandescent thank you for your input - I feel I was quite transparent that I made a silly mistake and didn't allude to anything else; but if it's important to you to establish what is true or false - the mistake I made was taking a chance on parking incorrectly.

The website shows no photos when I input my details - I'm not sure what that means.

Havering is not my local area so I will see whether it is possible to return to check signage etc. I can see how that would be important to establish.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 04, 2024, 08:08:15 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on August 04, 2024, 04:23:54 pm
What is the vehicle reg/VRM.

I can't see any loading restrictions on the latest maps view.

Thank you for the input. I couldn't either, but not sure if that is sufficient to chance an appeal.


Apologies, vehicle reg is here:

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN Parking or loading/unloading in a restricted street 02 Victoria Road, Romford Havering
« on: August 04, 2024, 03:53:59 pm »
Hello all, thanks in advance for any help.

Infuriatingly silly mistake on my part - parked up in front of a shop to collect something without looking at specific restrictions. PCN issued within a minute by the attendant and he was taking photos of my car as I left. Havering have just removed the option of the discounted rate if I attempt an appeal, which means I'd need to be confident of grounds if I wanted to try.


Google maps location(white van is where I parked)

I wasn't able to examine signage etc as I left the spot. I also can't view the attendant's photos as this has not been issued by post.

I'd be grateful for any thoughts on whether I could successfully appeal this on any grounds. Thanks!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: August 30, 2023, 03:58:04 pm »
Quote from: cp8759 on August 27, 2023, 01:27:19 pm
Would you like me to represent you at the tribunal?

Going it alone can be a recipe for disaster, as shown by this case: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/warwickshire-cc-pcn-code-24-not-within-markings-of-bay-lakin-road-warwick/


That's very kind of you to offer - I'll reply to your PM. Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: August 22, 2023, 05:23:15 pm »
Thank you, any other thoughts would be appreciated before I submit reps!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: August 21, 2023, 10:33:37 am »
So as anticipated, they have rejected representations and have sent through the London Tribunals paperwork. What should my representations state for the Tribunal? Thank you for any input as always!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: July 19, 2023, 07:08:04 pm »
That feels way too easy, I guess I'll give that a go!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: July 19, 2023, 04:00:45 pm »
Hi all,

The NTO has come through as attached - I'd appreciate any help on how to submit reps.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: June 24, 2023, 08:41:51 am »
That makes sense, I'll await the NTO. Thank you!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: June 22, 2023, 12:11:45 pm »
My representations were copied and pasted from what you suggested:

Dear London Borough of Waltham Forest,

I challenge liability because the alleged contravention did not occur. The Schedule to The Road Traffic (Temporary Restrictions) Procedure Regulations 1992 provides that:
1. A notice shall be displayed in a prominent position at each end of the length of road to which the order relates and at the points at which it will be necessary for vehicles or pedestrians to diverge from the road, stating the effect of the order and, where applicable, the alternative route or routes available for traffic.

2. Each such notice shall be displayed throughout the period during which the order is in force and the traffic authority shall take all reasonable steps to ensure that the notices remain in a legible condition and continue to be so displayed for so long as the order remains in force or are promptly replaced as often as occasion requires during that period.
On this occasion there was no notice advising that a TTRO had been made, it follows that the order was invalid in any event.

Yours faithfully,


And here is the original PCN


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN 02 Parked on loading/unloading in a restricted street - Waltham Forest
« on: June 21, 2023, 04:04:09 pm »
Hi all, I was suggested to put a post up here following on from the closure of pepipoo (not quite sure how my username was allowed)

The original images posted:





And the response to representations:





cp8759 suggested on pepipoo that the response was inadequate - do I need to now wait for the NTO and any ideas what I should respond with?

Thank you very much for any help!

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