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I believed there was still a 21 day time limit to challenge the NoE regardless of payment.

There's no time limit to submit to TEC (and therefore TfL)?

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I found this...
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/ruc/understanding-enforcement-process

So agreed it's PE2/PE3.

The Notice of Enforcement date being 09/03 (but received in post 14/03) ... does this now only give until 30/03 to have the forms completed + SD witnessed/signed at CC?

Thanks again.

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Thanks.

I think in places I have looked and cases from ftla (2023/2024) it's TE7 and TE9.

My (daughters) TE7 submission now reads...

THE LATE SUBMISSION IS DUE TO AN UNFORTUNATE CONFLICT OF DATES. PCN ISSUED 20/9/25. V5C UPDATED ONLINE 25/9/25. I BECAME AWARE OF PCN VIA NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT ON 14/3/26. IT SEEMS THE PCN WAS SENT TO MY PREVIOUS ADDRESS, AND NOT FORWARDED PER ARRANGEMENT WITH MY LANDLORD.
I ASSUME FURTHER NOTICES ALSO WENT TO THE PREVIOUS ADDRESS. I LEFT FLAT 1, 88 ELM PARK. BRIXTON ON 17/8/25. I STAYED WITH EX-UNI FRIENDS FOR ONE MONTH, CONTEMPLATING A PERMANENT MOVE. I MOVED BACK TO MY PARENTS (43 ASHLEY ROAD, SOUTH SHIELDS) ON 21/9/25 AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE MAIL AGAIN.

It's not pertinent to say when she moved out or any other dates or facts? Would they ask / for any follow-up?

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Hello Neil B,

Modified = I believe you are completely correct - PE2 and PE3.

I've been looking at the wrong thing.

H

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Thanks @tincombe. Was your message curtailed?

The explanation of the interim address period was in response to your comment about updating the address only when she was in a position to receive mail.

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Hi,

Please does any learned member have a view on my TE7 explanation and is it suitable?

I know some forum members are law orientated but just need to know if it's good enough to send or missing detail.

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No, you just tick the one box, for "did not receive the PCN".

Thank you. Makes sense.

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Post an draft of your application here first if you want.

There is a character limit in the online form version. Here is my draft:

THE LATE SUBMISSION IS DUE TO AN UNFORTUNATE CONFLICT OF DATES. PCN ISSUED 20/9/25. V5C UPDATED ONLINE 25/9/25. I BECAME AWARE OF PCN VIA NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT ON 14/3/26. IT SEEMS THE PCN WAS SENT TO MY PREVIOUS ADDRESS - AND NOT FORWARDED PER AGREEMENT WITH MY LANDLORD. I ASSUME FURTHER NOTICES ALSO WENT TO THE PREVIOUS ADDRESS. I LEFT FLAT 1, 88 ELM PARK. BRIXTON ON 17/8/25. I STAYED WITH EX-UNI FRIENDS FOR ONE MONTH, CONTEMPLATING A PERMANENT MOVE. I MOVED BACK TO MY PARENTS (43 ASHLEY ROAD, SOUTH SHIELDS) ON 21/9/25 AND THEREFORE WAS ABLE TO RECEIVE MAIL AGAIN.

I can pad this out if needs be but will have to print form and write out (I assume) or somehow continue on a separate electronic sheet for submission.

Also ... Q on TE9 ... as it was paid I tick the box and fill in date an that it was paid to CDER yes?

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It is fair to say that during the turmoil of my daughter being ill, that she was undecided as to where to locate ... but her tenancy had come to an end and so she was moving 'somewhere' else.
She had also completed employment training ... and had no specific job to go to.
As it turned out she went to Notts (however for "safety" updated her official address as ours here at home).

Please can you indicate the correct forms that need to be completed?

Can I also do a sanity check that based on the information provided that challenging this can be successful (barring the original fine which would be due of course)?

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Thanks.

Theapplication to change address was submitted online 25/09. Standard email response was received to say updated documents would take 7 to 10 days.

Also at the same time application to change licence address was submitted.

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Thanks all for the guidance so far. The fine is paid.

I now want to embark on making the application to get it refunded.

Can I ask if there is a template to begin this ... or an exemplar I should use?

I have experience on the PCN side of things (and how I came to be pointed here).

Also confirming all-important dates.
Moved out 17/8/25
Date of contravention 15/09/25
Date CoA submitted 25/09/25
Someone asked if she moved elsewhere temporarily - she moved from her London address to Notts - that residence wasn't an official let it was with friends.

Can I also ask if it is also pertinent that she was quite ill during this period? She was suffering with a serious eating disorder [for which she spent time in Hospital]. This would account for the delay in making the address change + her not setting up any mail forwarding + probably her forgetting to pay the toll in the first place ...
.. or ... it doesn't make any difference and I stick to the facts?

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Thanks for the lightening response, Stamfordman, it's much appreciated.

I must admit if there's a sure way not to pay until any appeal is dismissed I'd prefer that - but if there's any doubt then would go for the safer option.

Presumably the NoE seeks the address of the Licence Holder (or re-extracts the address for the V5) - but I don't see why the warrant wouldn't have come the same address (being used now).

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Hello All,

Today 14/3 we received a Notice of Enforcement dated 9/3/26, addressed to my daughter (who happens to be staying here/up north for the weekend).

The contravention was Blackwall Tunnel on 15/9/25.
Until the end of August my daughter resided in Brixton. She then moved to Notts. She changed the address on her V5 on 25/9/25 to my house/parents & on her Driving Licence at the same time. She changed She did not set up any mail forwarding.

This is the very first she has learned of the contravention. Long story but she was ill last year / had no focus / has letters of admission to Hospital and appointments with specialists and clinics - and can't recollect the occasion but it is not disputed that it occurred.

There is little time to decide what to do - but we'd like advice on the best immediate option.

Thanks in advance. PCN (with redactions) uploaded.

Harbmeister43.


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