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Thank you yea the transcripts are attached and I have managed to download them.

Sorry for all of the questions I am just quite nervous about all of this as first time I have done anything like this.
This is the post I found the original information: https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/letter-of-claim-from-moorside-legal/

So I am assuming I follow these instructions next:

“So Otherwise, here is the defence and link to the draft order and relevant transcripts that go with it. You only need to edit your name and the claim number. You sign the defence by typing your full name for the signature and date it. There is nothing to edit in the draft order.

When you're ready you send all the documents as a single PDF attachment (in the order of 'defence', 'draft order' and then the 2 'transcripts') in an email to claimresponses.cnbc@justice.gov.uk and CC in yourself. The claim number must be in the email subject field and in the body of the email just put: "Please find attached the defence and draft order in the matter of UKCPS Ltd v [your full name] Claim no.: [claim number]."

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I've been working on my defence all day and came across another thread involving Moorside Legal that is almost identical to my situation. I’ve gone through the cases and the information in that person’s defence, and everything seems to line up with my own claim. 

Before I try to use it, could someone with more experience please look over to make sure i do not mess this up? I don’t take any credit for the original wording — it was posted by user **B789** on another thread.

All the case law they relied on seems to apply to mine as well. At first, I thought Moorside had given a breakdown of the costs and interest, so I removed that point… but after reading more, it looks like they should be explaining why the amount is £170, how it’s made up, and what the added charges relate to.

There are a couple of things not covered in the original defence that I am not sure if I should add in? 

-1. They claim I “accepted the terms by parking”, but then say the breach was “No Stopping”. Those two things contradict each other. I’m not even sure what legally counts as “parking”, but the vehicle definitely wasn’t left unattended. 

2.  I was not the driver — should I mention this in the defence?

It was nearly four years ago, so I honestly can’t remember exactly how long the vehicle stopped for. It wasn’t a long time, but from what I’ve read, “parking” isn’t just about the length of time — it also depends on whether the vehicle was *left* or whether the driver stayed in control.

Any guidance would be massively appreciated before I go through with this. 

Defence posted by B789

 1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:


(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with CPR PD 16(7.5);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts)

(d) The PoC do not state with sucient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant cites the cases of CEL v Chan 2023 [E7GM9W44] and CPMS v Akande 2024 [K0DP5J30], which are persuasive appellate decisions. In these cases, claims were struck out due to identical failures to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a). Transcripts of these decisions are attached to this Defence.

5. The Defendant attaches to this defence a copy of a draft order approved by a district judge at another court. The court struck out the claim of its own initiative after determining that the Particulars of Claim failed to comply with CPR 16.4.(1)(a). The judge noted that the claimant had failed to:


(i) Set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions relied upon;

(ii) Failed to explain the reasons why the defendant was allegedly in breach of contract;

(iii) Provide separate, detailed Particulars of Claim as permitted under CPR PD 7C.5.2(2).

(iv) The court further observed that, given the modest sum claimed, requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, the judge struck out the claim outright rather than permitting an amendment.

6. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim for the Claimant’s failure to comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).


Statement of truth

I believe that the facts stated in this Defence are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.

Signed:

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Hi,
Thank you so much! This is a link to the street view.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4YqJb13F84D8X6dm6?g_st=ac

Thanks
Jennie

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Hiya,

I have managed to find the original notice.

Direct link: https://ibb.co/Ld2Qr9HD

I am getting worried about this now as it is a lot of money just for stopping for a few minutes :(

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I am struggling to find the original PCN :( I remember appealing it online initially via their website. I will have a really good look for it.

Thanks,

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Thank you. I’ve uploaded the form I received below. This is the only page that contains the actual details of the claim — the remaining pages are just blank forms to complete and don’t include any further information.

Direct link to image: https://ibb.co/d0ntkTkG



I don’t live in the area where the vehicle briefly stopped, so I used Google Street View to check the location. The image I’ve attached shows the area, and the small picture in the bottom right is my attempt to zoom in on the sign. Please note it happened on a Saturday, and those large gates were closed at the time.

Direct link to image: https://ibb.co/n8j2wK2x

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Hi All,

I’m hoping someone can please help me because as I am really worried about a claim I’ve received from Moorside legal.

I was the registered keeper of the vehicle at the time (2022), but I was not the driver. The car only stopped briefly the driver did not get out of the car, and it was a weekend when the surrounding businesses were closed, so no obstruction was caused. The signage was not noticed at the time, the first we were aware is when I got this fine.  I have searched online and others get caught out in the exact location.  I believe from reading other posts it is signed no stopping.

When the first letters arrived, I looked online for advice and unfortunately followed suggestions to 'ignore them as they do not have the drivers details’ I now realise this was a mistake, and the matter has escalated to a court claim. I’m frustrated because the car was not parked, only stopped briefly and they wanted £170!.

I’ve spent the last few days reading about the process and I’m considering submitting an Acknowledgement of Service (AOS). However, I’m very worried because I cannot afford to pay the full amount. I’m also worried about my credit record and whether submitting an AOS will increase the amount claimed.

If I submit an AOS, does the claim amount increase? I’ve seen other threads about Moorside Legal, but the details aren’t exactly the same as my situation so I’m unsure what applies to me.

I have put particulars about the claims below.. Can anyone please advise me? is this worth fighting or not?

“The Claim is for an unpaid Parking Charge issued for a breach of contractual terms on 13/08/2022 at Private Roadways Bilbrough York YO23 3NX to vehicle *******.
The signage displayed at the site set out contractual terms and offered a contractual licence, which the Defendant accepted by parking. The Claimant has authority to operate the site and issue charges.
The breach was: No Stopping.
The Defendant is liable as the driver and/or keeper, in contract and/or pursuant to POFA Schedule 4, and the charge remains unpaid despite demand.
AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS:


1. £170.00 being the total of the PCN.
2. Costs and Court fees.


The claimant claims interest under section 69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate of 8% a year from 09/09/2022 to 26/01/2026 on £170.00 and also interest at the same rate up to the date of judgment or earlier payment at a daily rate of £0.02.


Any guidance or reassurance would be greatly appreciated… I am just so worried about this.  The fine
is worth more than the car was!

Thank you.

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