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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: June 03, 2026, 01:45:39 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on June 03, 2026, 12:58:40 pm
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Given the defendant is a company will I be able to assist them in court?
What is your relationship to the company? A company cannot turn up itself, it not being a person. In the County Court small claims track, as I understand it a director or employee of the said company can appear on the part of a company (although the vast majority of my experience is with cases involving individuals).

Employee of the company so that means it should be fine, perfect. Thank you!

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: June 03, 2026, 11:40:12 am »
Hi Everyone,

I wanted to ask.

The claimant solicitors mailed a blank directions questionnaire to the defendant and I informed the court and the claimants solicitors of this. On the phone the court staff said the claimant does not have to send the defendant this document but the PD state otherwise.

The claimant solicitor have provided a completed one now but this does not seem equitable. The defendant had to submit their paperwork without seeing what options the claimant chose on the directions questionnaire. Is that right?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: March 27, 2026, 03:06:12 pm »
Thank you for that. I will look through the forum.

Does anyone know the likelihood that a matter like this will actually go to court?

Given the defendant is a company will I be able to assist them in court? I saw on the forum that the The Lay Representatives (Rights of Audience) Order 1999 was mentioned but I am not sure if it applies to companies.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: March 27, 2026, 12:25:05 am »
Hi All,

I assisted the defendant with their defence but the claimant/lawyers still want to go ahead to trial but have offered mediation in their latest correspondence?

Would it be worth going down the mediation route given that the claimant did make a purchase at the shop and can provide proof of this.


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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: March 09, 2026, 07:05:47 pm »
Unfortunately they threw the original away. I've been informed that they wouldn't need to provide it as the keeper is a business.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: March 08, 2026, 08:58:29 pm »
Hi All,

Does anyone think that there is a chance of winning this?

Also, if it goes to court would I (third party) be allowed to attend and speak or would that be limited to the two employees of the business? It's my understanding that in cases of companies even if they are tiny the court expects a solicitor to be hired but is that mandatory as a defendant?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 28, 2026, 07:20:38 pm »
Any assistance on the way the defence needs to be drafted is greatly appreciated.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 27, 2026, 12:22:09 pm »
Company owned

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 27, 2026, 10:00:42 am »
Hi there,

Do the pictures provide anything useful? Do you think there is a chance of success at court?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 11:35:39 pm »
Also, I forgot to add the shop which issued the voucher in this case is "Maja Chelmsford -Polski sklep".

This is also the first time this happened to the driver and they parked there numerous times.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 11:31:24 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on February 19, 2026, 06:08:41 pm
Horizon won't have recorded a video - there will be the PCN and stills from an ANPR camera.

Even if the driver said they were the driver and submitted an SAR, Horizon could still not show them the PCN, as the PCN wouldn't at face value contain any of the driver's personal data (the address being the company address, and any details relating to the vehicle likewise being the company's).

The company's best bet is to draft a defence on the information available - we can help with this. I'll try and find a Horizon PCN from around that time to see if it was before or after they started getting the wording right to hold the vehicle keeper liable (I suspect not).

Absence of loss is not the right argument. Horizon aren't claiming to have suffered a loss as such, they're claiming the driver entered into a contract whereby he became liable to pay them a parking charge, has not done so, and they are therefore owed money.

A better argument, based on the information we have so far, would seem to be that the terms and conditions were not breached and accordingly no money is owed.

Do you have (or can you easily get) photos of the signage? I realise it might have changed since the date of the event, but it's better than nothing.

I see that argument makes sense because a shop was completed and a voucher was obtained at the time. Will it be a problem that they no longer have the voucher or would proof from a bank statement be enough.

I've got the photos. Please let me know if this has worked







Also, from what I can see on google maps the signage does not look like it has changed.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 04:58:14 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on February 19, 2026, 04:28:26 pm
Quote from: Joeshdeli on February 19, 2026, 04:01:09 pm
Is there a way to go around the data subject request by way of stating it is also the data of the employee who was driving the vehicle?
If Horizon don't know who the driver is, and the charge was issued to the company, it's hard to see how they might be holding any of his personal data.

Given that the claim form is submitted would it be one of the rare situations where in the subject data request you would state that you are the driver in this instance? The individual went to the site and said that they have camera's there so would have taken a video of him and the incident I assume?

Is there anything that can be done or is it a matter for the courts and drafting a good defence? If so any tips? Would an argument around Absence of Loss be any good given that a purchase was made at the supermarket that issues vouchers for the relevant car park?

Any help or direction would be really appreciated.

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 04:01:09 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on February 19, 2026, 09:44:28 am
Quote from: jfollows on February 19, 2026, 06:32:37 am
A Subject Access Request can be used to obtain all documents.
In this case the defendant is a company, and accordingly not a data subject for the purpose of the relevant legislation.

Were any appeals etc. submitted at the time?

No appeals were submitted.

Is there a way to go around the data subject request by way of stating it is also the data of the employee who was driving the vehicle?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 06:34:03 am »
Thank you! Is that to the claimant or the solicitors?

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Private parking tickets / Re: Horizon Parking Limited - Claim Form Received - Provident Square Chelmsford
« on: February 19, 2026, 06:19:15 am »
Hi There,

Thank you for responding.

The problem is they threw the PCNs away. Does the claimant have to provide them if requested?


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